Originally posted by Trackz
???if anything deathstrokes support is using low end feats, claiming he couldn't break a chain when he was to weak to even stand...
no one said blade didn't have low showings, but is slade losing to nightwing necessarily a low showing, he's not going to win ever fight
i certainly never said he'd win all the fights . . .
losing to NW is a bit low, but not a terrible showing, imo. blade could win some. i'd give slade the majority though.
Originally posted by leonidasI'm still not positive, seeing his respect thread they are pretty even, only Deathstroke can do a lot more with prep
i certainly never said he'd win all the fights . . .losing to NW is a bit low, but not a terrible showing, imo. blade could win some. i'd give slade the majority though.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneWell, when we've seen him handle Nightwing and a group of others at the same time on multiple occasions, and put Nightwing down with a single kick before, losing to him seems kind of like a low showing in comparison. But then again, Dick is really good, I mean shit, he's Batman now. lol.
Im really not sure if getting manhandled by Nightwing is really that bad. I think people exaggerate how good he is.
Originally posted by BattlehammerHe's made a career out of it. It's what he was created to do.
or maybe DS handling an entire team is pis or a rediculously high showing or better yet the team jobbing which tends to be the cases when anyone fights an entire team
Originally posted by Juntai
Well, when we've seen him handle Nightwing and a group of others at the same time on multiple occasions, and put Nightwing down with a single kick before, losing to him seems kind of like a low showing in comparison.
Elaborate on the other showings please hes taken on Batman, Robin and NW and lost. Sure they ganged up on him but that doesnt neccesarily prove hes superior to NW. Just because you hold your own against a group of people doesnt neccesarily mean that one of them cant beat you. He also had problems taking down Deadshot another character who Batman could take down.
I also dont think Batman or Batgirl could take on the Teen Titans and the JLA, so yeah I think people exaggerate. Hes not always a team wrecker.
Originally posted by Juntai
But then again, Dick is really good, I mean shit, he's Batman now. lol.
He doesnt have a choice who else is going to take on the title? He might be really good but is there any proof that hes as good as Batman yet.
Originally posted by Juntai
He's made a career out of it. It's what he was created to do.
Being a team's enemy and not a solo character's enemy kind of sets him up for it.
TM was a team enemy to, look at him now.
teams jobb it a fact.
teams jobbed to spiderman wolverine TM and yes DS as well. To take how he does vs a team then how he does vs them solo is just not right, because teams always jobb and people are always written less impressivly when there an entire team. and he had prep a lot of time sif not mistaken
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah I was kinda getting onto that. However I dont entirely agree with the team jobbing.
hell wolverine a perfect example he taken it to alpha flight, x-men ect. yet most of the team could take him one on one
Originally posted by Battlehammer
people having good showings vs teams, but it does not mean they can beat the team or even that they can beat all or any of the team in a solo fight.hell wolverine a perfect example he taken it to alpha flight, x-men ect. yet most of the team could take him one on one
LOL I actually made that point as well, but yeah it depends on how well he does against the team.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
To an extent it does. If a person is completely owning a team then yeah it implies that he could beat them all individually easily, if hes just holding them off thats another matter.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
no it doesent. It could mean there jobbing. Logan smacked aorund generation x like they were his ***** and he stomped on other teams as well. That does not mean he can beat them all, just means people jobb or get in eachother way or there simply not enough space in the comic to accuratly potray everyone on the team
I dont entirely agree. *shrug*
Originally posted by BattlehammerActually he usually does just fine. It's just Nightwing he has problems with occasionally really. And that's because he has a soft spot for him, and has trained with him specifically. You have to remember, Deathstroke was the leader of the Titans for a while. He also trusted Nightwing to train his daughter.
yet when ever he fights them solo he does not do nearly as well.
You'll find many more occasions of him being a team wrecker than those instances either way.
In one on one fights, he's taken out Batman, and has completely toyed with Batgirl so bad that she knew he wasn't even trying, and she was stuck on the defensive the whole time. Both of them are better in CQC than Dick is.
In his solo series, he was decimating the JLA one by one as they tried to capture him, until Superman showed up. Not a lot he has to use against the man of the steel while he's on the run. Even Superman was impressed his prowess however as Deathstroke evaded him for a quite a while. Then he escaped as soon as Supes' dropped him off anyways.
In that same series, he wrecked the Titans twice, iirc. And another couple misfit teams that were put together out of rarely used characters.
He fights off the Titans in their entirety pretty much every couple of years since the 1980s in their own book. He's done it more than a couple times in the current run alone, and it's at what like, 60 some issues?
And that's not even getting to the beating he put to the team in Identity Crisis, although there was perhaps a bit of jobbing there, that's the type of thing that happens when enemies think and move in slow motion compared to a guy when he's on his A game. Without getting into all of it, I like the example against Canary in that fight, her mouth was opening, and he heard her jaw click in the middle of the melee with Green Arrow, ran across a street towards and flipped through the air, pulling out a bag and tying it around her head before he voice could come out. He's just that fast, and that good.
Originally posted by BattlehammerWolverine is a character is very up and down depending on the writer. I personally prefer the grittier Frank Miller, down the earth kind of badass Wolverine, who struggles and fights through stuff.
no it doesent. It could mean there jobbing. Logan smacked aorund generation x like they were his ***** and he stomped on other teams as well. That does not mean he can beat them all, just means people jobb or get in eachother way or there simply not enough space in the comic to accuratly potray everyone on the team
Others write him as a top flight level hero, as dangerous as anyone from Hulk to Iron Man.
That's how he goes from having a little trouble with some street thugs, to taking out the Fantastic 4.
With so many titles and so many writers..He's sort of caught in that somewhere.
Originally posted by JuntaiI've never seen hi mactually beat a team by himself though, he gives them much difficulty..but he usually ends up losing (based on what I've seen) his fights are still impressive none the less
He's made a career out of it. It's what he was created to do.
Being a team's enemy and not a solo character's enemy kind of sets him up for it.