Geese Howard and Wolfgang Krauser vs Kasumi and Ayane

Originally posted by StyleTime

DOA makes no mention of the fighters using chi. It's doubtful they'd be able to sense the sisters. By that same logic, there bosses that can cause as much, if not moreso, mayhem than Krauser or Geese but lose in DOA.

Care to give examples? Kasumi's hardest fight was against Alpha-152. Alpha-152 has never once showed a weakness, so that's no knock against Kasumi at all. Ayane's hardest fights are against Kasumi. Again, that's no knock against Ayane at all.

We don't know if they would have survived if they were at full power. However, we DO know that both Ayane and Kasumi have no problem falling from skyscrapers unscathed. Yes, I didn't mean to make it sound so easy to knock them off of a building, but it's not like the kunoichi could't wear the bosses down. Geese and Krauser will also loose a good bit of energy since they'll be whiffing a lot of their attack due to teleports.

Yes, Geese has a damned powerful special. However, it is just that. A special. Omega causes similar damage just by powering up.

Yes there is. Ayane has traversed part of a wide canyon in seconds. Kasumi even moves so fast she actually runs [b]through her opponents appearing as a beam of light. Throw in the teleporting and I think it's safe to say the sisters are good bit faster than their opponents here. Like I said, Krauser is no slouch speed wise though and I think he'll last longer than Geese. [/B]

- Kasumi had a hard time beating Raidou and as you said Ayane had a hard fight against Kasumi. Meanwhile Geese beat up a guy like Takuma who threw a blast that destroyed a satellite. And Geese did so fairly easily, not to mention this was in his younger days...and let's not forget that he wasn't even N.Geese. Krauser defeated Duck King, Richard Meyer, Hwa Jai, Michael Max, and Tung Fu Rue at the same time. I don't think the girls are strong enough to accomplish similar feats.

- I doubt the girls could survive if they got the crap beat out of them, THEN thrown off a building. I think Krauser can take a direct hit from the girls and Geese has no need to dodge, he has counter moves that he will utilize every time the ninjas attack.

- Omega aint all that powerful seeing as how he was killed single handedly by Ayane. And Omega has no special, N.Geese has quite a few up his sleeve. If hit with the Deadly Rave it's light out for Omega.

- I can agree with what your saying about the ninjas being faster but as I've said to many others, speed isn't everything. If your only faster then your opponent but you opponent is better at everything else, that isn't much of an advantage. BTY, N.Geese is much faster then any form of Krauser

Originally posted by Remulous

- Kasumi had a hard time beating Raidou and as you said Ayane had a hard fight against Kasumi. Meanwhile Geese beat up a guy like Takuma who threw a blast that destroyed a satellite. And Geese did so fairly easily, not to mention this was in his younger days...and let's not forget that he wasn't even N.Geese. Krauser defeated Duck King, Richard Meyer, Hwa Jai, Michael Max, and Tung Fu Rue at the same time. I don't think the girls are strong enough to accomplish similar feats.

Geese defeating Takuma happened in Fatal Fury, while Takuma destroying a satelite happened in KOF. Two completely different and contradicting timelines. Yet, here you are counting them as one with an A>B>C argument as well.

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Originally posted by Remulous
- - I don't think the girls can win because they've had hard fights against characters that are weaker then Geese or Krauser.

- How in the world are the girls gonna throw Krauser or Geese off a building. They are gonna need more power then speed to actually remove N.Geese from a his spot and get'em to fall over the edge. Also, Geese and Krauser were weak and beaten when they fell. I'm pretty sure if they were at full power they could've survived.

- Omega isn't stronger then N.Geese, his Raising Storm has destroyed large amounts of land and structures as well.

- There is really no proof that Geese and Krauser are turtles compared to the ninja girls, cuz that's what they gotta be in order to lose to the ninjas.

- Ayane can destroy an entire complex in one attack, and it was shown obliterating people as well. Krauser and Geese WOULD have to jump off a cliff if they wanted to survive, or, die a less painful death.

- I'd still put Omega ahead of Nightmare Geese, especially since Omega's regulars can destroy landscapes with minimal effort.

- They're faster at least.

Originally posted by Remulous
- Doesn't matter if you use the chi or not, if your a living creature and you poses chi it can be sensed. Unless you suppress it.

- Kasumi had a hard time beating Raidou and as you said Ayane had a hard fight against Kasumi. Meanwhile Geese beat up a guy like Takuma who threw a blast that destroyed a satellite. And Geese did so fairly easily, not to mention this was in his younger days...and let's not forget that he wasn't even N.Geese. Krauser defeated Duck King, Richard Meyer, Hwa Jai, Michael Max, and Tung Fu Rue at the same time. I don't think the girls are strong enough to accomplish similar feats.

- I doubt the girls could survive if they got the crap beat out of them, THEN thrown off a building. I think Krauser can take a direct hit from the girls and Geese has no need to dodge, he has counter moves that he will utilize every time the ninjas attack.

- Omega aint all that powerful seeing as how he was killed single handedly by Ayane. And Omega has no special, N.Geese has quite a few up his sleeve. If hit with the Deadly Rave it's light out for Omega.

- I can agree with what your saying about the ninjas being faster but as I've said to many others, speed isn't everything. If your only faster then your opponent but you opponent is better at everything else, that isn't much of an advantage. BTY, N.Geese is much faster then any form of Krauser

- You do like to make up stuff like that huh? Show me where it said she had a hard time killing Raidou, and that's not to say Raidou is some kind of pushover. He massacred at entire village once of ninjas armed with blades and was completely reckless while doing it. He can mimic any technique he sees instantly, and has demonstrated a big display of power in the DOA2 opening. Ayane murdered an opponent that can destroy landscapes and you talk about Geese beating up a guy who destroyed a satellite. Not trying to sound biased, but I don't see why Ayane couldn't accomplish similar feats especially since she has an attack that can bring down an entire complex in a matter of seconds.

- I doubt Geese and Krauser will manage to hit Kasumi and Ayane enough to actually knock them out. Secondly, I doubt Geese and Krauser can survive Ayane's tritower complex-destroying assault which is so intense that it vaporizes everything that comprises a 20-story building and everyone in it.

- Read what is stated above and realize how much you're underestimating Omega and Ayane.

- They are better in other aspects as well.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Geese defeating Takuma happened in Fatal Fury, while Takuma destroying a satelite happened in KOF. Two completely different and contradicting timelines. Yet, here you are counting them as one with an A>B>C argument as well.

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And for the last time, Ayane did not destroy the towers on her own and the attack takes to long to do. You would have to be stupid not to ba able to avoid that attack

Originally posted by Remulous
And for the last time, Ayane did not destroy the towers on her own and the attack takes to long to do. You would have to be stupid not to ba able to avoid that attack

For the sake of argument, not to take any sides here

Strolheim Castle, Germany. The battle rages on between the two teams of half-siblings, and it is basically a stalemate. Krauser is stunned while Kasumi is still fighting Geese. Perfect for Ayane.

She begins to perform the Tritower Destroyer Ninpo. The resulting blast would end up destroying the castle.

Krauser, as Ayane is in the final stages of the attack, recovers.

Krauser: Kaiser....

Ayane opens her eyes and sees Krauser with his arms held back, the ki energy evident in both hands. She attempts to punch the ground but...

Krauser: WAVE!

Ayane has no time to react, and Krauser's Kaiser wave meets its mark. Ayane goes to night-night land.

So then they jump Kasumi (which would be absolutely unnecessary.)

Originally posted by Remulous
KOF and FF happened in the same continuity, it's not my fault that SNK can't tie the 2 together well.

Takuma is not in FF he's in AOF, and that's where lost to rugal. AOF timeline is not part of the KOF timeline.

Originally posted by Remulous
- Doesn't matter if you use the chi or not, if your a living creature and you poses chi it can be sensed. Unless you suppress it.

- Kasumi had a hard time beating Raidou and as you said Ayane had a hard fight against Kasumi. Meanwhile Geese beat up a guy like Takuma who threw a blast that destroyed a satellite. And Geese did so fairly easily, not to mention this was in his younger days...and let's not forget that he wasn't even N.Geese. Krauser defeated Duck King, Richard Meyer, Hwa Jai, Michael Max, and Tung Fu Rue at the same time. I don't think the girls are strong enough to accomplish similar feats.

- I doubt the girls could survive if they got the crap beat out of them, THEN thrown off a building. I think Krauser can take a direct hit from the girls and Geese has no need to dodge, he has counter moves that he will utilize every time the ninjas attack.

- Omega aint all that powerful seeing as how he was killed single handedly by Ayane. And Omega has no special, N.Geese has quite a few up his sleeve. If hit with the Deadly Rave it's light out for Omega.

- I can agree with what your saying about the ninjas being faster but as I've said to many others, speed isn't everything. If your only faster then your opponent but you opponent is better at everything else, that isn't much of an advantage. BTY, N.Geese is much faster then any form of Krauser

Interesting that you used the whole "he was young" thing for Geese. I actually commend you here for bringing this point up against Kasumi, but you neglected to mention that Raidou is Kasumi's very FIRST boss fight. She was inexperienced and also just fought a tournament beforehand including combatants like Hayabusa. Ayane and Kasumi have hard times against each other because they're both around the same level. The Takuma thing is questionable due the whole Art of Fighting deal, but even so, Geese had experience. You're comparing an experienced Geese to an almost completely wet behind the ears Kasumi. Also, all Omega needs to do to destroy a satelite is aim his fireball upwards. As for Krauser, yes he wrecked a team. Unfortunately, this team conisted mostly of cannon fodder. In honestly, the kunoichi or Geese could do the same.

That's the thing. Kasumi just fought an entire tournament AND Alpha-152 before and during the fall. The poor girl was already tired and she still survived ready to face a foe who eventually would beat her. Ayane also went through a tournament which included fighting Kasumi and still fell from the skyscraper unharmed. If Krauser's Kaiser Wave get's shoved back in his face by a Power Geyser, Ayane is more than capable of doing the same via ninpo. However, she will need to wear him down first. Yes, Geese's counters are what will make him last as long as he will.

Now you're understating Ayane. She's durable as hell seeing as she took a landscape obliterating blast IMMEDIATELY after fighting her way past Kasumi, Hayate, and many others. Add that to the fact that the girl is strong as hell(scaling canyons simply by leaping, throwing guys who weigh over 300 LBS about 1 story into the air) and can literally run circles around Omega even without teleporting, and it's no suprise she found a way to beat him.

Yes, I totally agree that speed isn't everything. However, it can dramatically tilt a battle in one's favor with combined with other things. Also, the bossed aren't better at everything else. The most clear advantage they is raw power, but everything else is debatable considering they couldn't match Terry. As for Krauser vs Nightmare Geese in speed, I haven't seen what makes him any faster. Krauser moves around like damn jackrabbit. Geese just seems to have a few quick attacks.

Originally posted by Remulous
I don't complain A>B>C logic when posters state Ayane beat Omega who is stronger then Geese, so... 🙁

And for the last time, Ayane did not destroy the towers on her own and the attack takes to long to do. You would have to be stupid not to ba able to avoid that attack

Ayane's attack was in slow motion. It doesn't take that long to charge. Also, she could just do a smaller ninpo attack like the big energy ball that takes less time to charge.

As for Major Snafu's scenario, Ayane has never was once used a huge ninpo spell unless the opponent had unless she is sure it would hit. Not to mention, she could just should it out of her hand to block the wave. She only punched the ground to destroy the Tri Tower.

So Geese can counter? So what Kasumi & Ayane can counter just about anything as well. And their counters can actually be followed with teleportation which WILL come in handy. If Geese decides to sit there and counter the girls will do the same, and their counters are more effective than his.

I think it's clear who wins this.

Originally posted by King Nothing
I think it's clear who wins this.

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Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
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Originally posted by King Nothing
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Originally posted by Remulous
And for the last time, Ayane did not destroy the towers on her own and the attack takes to long to do. You would have to be stupid not to ba able to avoid that attack

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Ayane has pledged her life to her half-brother and Mugen Tenshin Clan leader Hayate in his cause to destroy DOATEC for all the suffering the company has caused the ninja clans. She is successful in this mission by casting a powerful Ninpo spell in the middle of the DOATEC complex with Hayate defending her, destroying the foundations of the buildings before the ninjas make their escape.

http://www.answers.com/topic/ayane

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Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
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Actually, Remulous may be right because there are many endings and cut scenes contradicting that, neither does that ending actually show the building collapsing from that blast, not to mention the tower was already on fire. But I also think Rem may be a little 2d fighter biased, Ayane and Kasumi are alot stronger then he is giving them credit for

Endings and cutscenes contradicting that? Those are the only endings showing Ayane destroying the DOATEC complex besides Helena's. It doesn't need to show the buildings collapse since the attack was shown incinerating people and the foundations of the buildings. The buildings caught on fire as a result of ALPHA-152 breaking out of its cell in the lab. That's not what caused the buildings to collapse.

Originally posted by King Nothing
Actually, Remulous may be right because there are many endings and cut scenes contradicting that, neither does that ending actually show the building collapsing from that blast, not to mention the tower was already on fire. But I also think Rem may be a little 2d fighter biased, Ayane and Kasumi are alot stronger then he is giving them credit for

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