Lets try and explain this better...somebody who has class 100 strength does not just have it in his arms but all over his body...what do you think would happen if a class 100 person flexed their stomache muscles and somebody weighing 200 pound tryed to kick them over by kicking them in the stomache? Wouldnt the strength in their muscles create enough resistance so they dont get knocked over???
Originally posted by Alfheim
Lets try and explain this better...somebody who has class 100 strength does not just have it in his arms but all over his body...what do you think would happen if a class 100 person flexed their stomache muscles and somebody weighing 200 pound tryed to kick them over by kicking them in the stomache? Wouldnt the strength in their muscles create enough resistance so they dont get knocked over???
In comics they would, but in the real world it doesn't work like that. 🙂
Originally posted by Alfheim
Lets try and explain this better...somebody who has class 100 strength does not just have it in his arms but all over his body...what do you think would happen if a class 100 person flexed their stomache muscles and somebody weighing 200 pound tryed to kick them over by kicking them in the stomache? Wouldnt the strength in their muscles create enough resistance so they dont get knocked over???
It's called bad/retarted/plain stupid/PIS writing. Cap doesn't hit with 100 ton force. 🤨
Suspension of disbelief is needed when reading comics.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
It's called bad/retarted/plain stupid/PIS writing. Cap doesn't hit with [b]100 ton force. 🤨Suspension of disbelief is needed when reading comics. [/B]
Ok you are misunderstanding me then......he does not hit with a hundred tons of force but he can use skill to replicate it...for example pressure points and skill.....do you get it? For example if the Hulk where fighting Namor he would use brute force to knock him out, Cap would go for pressure points and weak points.
Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont see how in the real world or in comics somebody who class 100 strength cant stop himself from being pushed over by somebody who weighs 200 lbs.
it shouldn't work like that but it does, there are so many of these ridiculous pseudo physics laws that apply in comic universes, for example when ever Superman tries to catch anyone falling out of a building his momentum would easily kill the person he is catching. Why do objects that weigh many kilo tons not collapse under their own weight when being lifted ? There are so many of these pseudo laws its un true, its as if Newtonian physics doesn't apply in comics. The one that always gets me is the ability to absorb and store immense amounts of energy in seemingly impossible ways . I was thinking about making a thread about this, but it doesn't look like the physical laws in comic universes are that objective. 🙂
Originally posted by Juntai
Batman has done similar things, his striking power is great. Strikes at a level way beyond human ability.100 tons though?
No, sorry.Both Cap and Batman would still snap their hands and do nothing damage-wise if they ran into a true 100 tonner like Superman.
Originally posted by AlfheimNamor may be a 100 tonner, but he would get his arse handed to him by the likes of Superman, who is FAR superior, but also still considered as a class 100 character.
Namor isnt a true 100 tonner now?
Originally posted by Donkey Punch
it shouldn't work like that but it does, there are so many of these ridiculous pseudo physics laws that apply in comic universes, for example when ever Superman tries to catch anyone falling out of a building his momentum would easily kill the person he is catching. Why do objects that weigh many kilo tons not collapse under their own weight when being lifted ? There are so many of these pseudo laws its un true, its as if Newtonian physics doesn't apply in comics. The one that always gets me is the ability to absorb and store immense amounts of energy in seemingly impossible ways . I was thinking about making a thread about this, but it doesn't look like the physical laws in comic universes are that objective. 🙂
Yeaaaahhh I know but there are still some logic. Doesnt it stand to reason that the reason why when class 100 fight each other the reason why they dont go flying on each punch is because their muscles give off resistance.
I just dont get it. Namor can lift 100s of tons but gets knocked over by a 200 lb man, surely inst the reason why Cap can do is because of his skill. Thats why fo example Cap was able to shred Iron mans armour...yeah he got some help, but the armour was still damn durable....Cap knows about weak points so he ***ed it up.
Anyway this whole knocking him to the ground thing is getting too complicated.
Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont see how in the real world or in comics somebody who class 100 strength cant stop himself from being pushed over by somebody who weighs 200 lbs.
Basically the problem here is that you are using the real world relationship between weight and strength as a measure of comic book strength
There is a detailed answer I can try and get into, though the physics of movement is dry and complicated at the best of time, let alone when someone has emotional value placed in how the results come out.
Look, your argument should go something like this: Because of his skill, Cap's punches can be even more effective at putting down an opponent than those from a 100 tonner.
You absolutely NEED to qualify what you are saying. What you are literally saying, ie, the meaning of the words you are using is that Cap's punches can have the same effect as those from a class 100 person, which is always wrong. You should be saying something about the purpose of those punches, ie in defeating an opponent, and why Cap's are as effective at that end as someone hundreds of times stronger.
Originally posted by inamilist
Basically the problem here is that you are using the real world relationship between weight and strength as a measure of comic book strengthThere is a detailed answer I can try and get into, though the physics of movement is dry and complicated at the best of time, let alone when someone has emotional value placed in how the results come out.
Look, your argument should go something like this: Because of his skill, Cap's punches can be even more effective [b]at putting down an opponent
than those from a 100 tonner.You absolutely NEED to qualify what you are saying. What you are literally saying, ie, the meaning of the words you are using is that Cap's punches can have the same effect as those from a class 100 person, which is always wrong. You should be saying something about the purpose of those punches, ie in defeating an opponent, and why Cap's are as effective at that end as someone hundreds of times stronger. [/B]
Well for starters im trying to get scans of Cap stunning Namor underwater....what im saying is Hercules would use brute force to knock out Namor. Cap would use pressure points or weak points.
Ok here it is.
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/2299/captainamerica36514od1.jpg
Originally posted by Donkey Punch
I was thinking about making a thread about this, but it doesn't look like the physical laws in comic universes are that objective. 🙂
I've always wanted to make a thread called "best moments in comic science" or something, showcasing the best abuses of real science by the comic community.
The references to Quantum alone could fill pages...
lol, but all in all, comics are comics because they aren't science
Originally posted by capt it up
my threads never stay on topic........
haha, no.... its all that wolverine hate 😉
Honestly man, you are probably the quintessential reformed fanboy. Like guy just said, we all have our characters, but the only person I am aware of that has gone from blind worship to logical argument is you. Please don't take any of that the wrong way, it is meant as a compliment.
lol, and I like Alfheim 🙂. I don't visit the vs forum too often, so I don't know about his fanboyness, but he is always pumping something, crazy or not.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well for starters im trying to get scans of Cap stunning Namor underwater....what im saying is Hercules would use brute force to knock out Namor. Cap would use pressure points or weak points.Ok here it is..not Cap says a "blow to his throat"
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/2299/captainamerica36514od1.jpg
I really don't want to debate scans, but the fact that Namor is being controlled by the "controller's disk" in that scan should invalidate it.
Nevertheless there are many other instances of cap beating up on stronger opponents I'm sure.
What you have said above is all you need to say.
Cap is more skilled. These skills allow him to do feats in combat against far stronger opponents that would otherwise be impossible.
People are only reacting because you mixed your words. Instead, you started comparing Cap's strikes to those from class 100 characters. In this light it should be understandable as to why people have criticized your opinion.
Originally posted by inamilist
I really don't want to debate scans, but the fact that Namor is being controlled by the "controller's disk" in that scan should invalidate it.
Er no, because there is no evidence to indicate that being mind controlled makes you less durable. It can reduce your fighting skills but not your durability. Hell in one fight that Cap had with Wolverine the mind control made him more durable....so not the disk does not negate anything except he was not using all his intellect.
Originally posted by inamilistNevertheless there are many other instances of cap beating up on stronger opponents I'm sure.
What you have said above is all you need to say.
Cap is more skilled. These skills allow him to do feats in combat against far stronger opponents that would otherwise be impossible.
People are only reacting because you mixed your words. Instead, you started comparing Cap's strikes to those from class 100 characters. In this light it should be understandable as to why people have criticized your opinion.
Ok.
