Should the Bible be taught in US public schools.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Well actually you are bringing up an entirely seperate debate.

No, I'm not.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Ultimately, gnosticism should almost be taught as it has been influential in American history considering its connection to the Freemasons and the fact that many founding fathers were Freemasons. However gnosticism is seperate from Christianity, they are seperate religions.

If you wanna teach christianity and it's history and how it influences society, (past and present) you've gotta teach all of it. You've gotta teach about the inquisition. You've gotta teach the dark ages and all the shit that went down then. You've gotta teach the issues that Martin Luther had with the church of Rome. You've gotta teach why some gospels were included and why others were not. And the best part about your version of public education, is that we aren't only going to tell our kids what happened in history, we're going to teach them why it happened the way it did. The reasons behind the murder and death and exclusion and subjugation of an entire gender that went into those murders, etc.

So, you just want to teach our kids the completely objective foundations of modern chrisitanity, right?

Originally posted by Nellinator
However gnosticism is seperate from Christianity, they are seperate religions.

It's considered seperate by most modern christians, because they have no idea why it existed in the first place.

But it all comes from a wandering tribe of goat herders in the deserts of teh middle east. These days judaism, christianity and islam are all seperate religions.

If you don't want to include the bad with the good, then you just want a sunday school class in our public schools.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
If you don't want to include the bad with the good, then you just want a sunday school class in our public schools.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
No, I'm not.

If you wanna teach christianity and it's history and how it influences society, (past and present) you've gotta teach all of it. You've gotta teach about the inquisition. You've gotta teach the dark ages and all the shit that went down then. You've gotta teach the issues that Martin Luther had with the church of Rome. You've gotta teach why some gospels were included and why others were not. And the best part about your version of public education, is that we aren't only going to tell our kids what happened in history, we're going to teach them why it happened the way it did. The reasons behind the murder and death and exclusion and subjugation of an entire gender that went into those murders, etc.

So, you just want to teach our kids the completely objective foundations of [b]modern chrisitanity, right? [/B]

The Inquistition has no bearing on the foundations of modern Christianity. The Reformation does, the Renaissance does, the Holy Roman Empire does not. That is the limit of these things. Sure teach them why some weren't included and why some weren't, that could easily be briefly covered in less than one lecture. Why is that a problem? I'm not against teaching the dark spots in history if its culturally relevant.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
It's considered seperate by most modern christians, because they have no idea why it existed in the first place.

But it all comes from a wandering tribe of goat herders in the deserts of teh middle east. These days judaism, christianity and islam are all seperate religions.

If you don't want to include the bad with the good, then you just want a sunday school class in our public schools.

Originally posted by Storm
An understanding of the Bible, like an understanding of other ancient mythologies, will help students better understand literature, art, and history.

However, when abused as a forum for Christian proselytization, no.

The Bible should not be taught in school to impressionable children causing them to be even more confused than they already are. Also being told that things are true and things happened in which they may not be taught in their households and may not believe and follow. Not to mention they'll be learning about Evolution as well, which really messed me up Religion Wise.

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Ancient mythology is very much a religion. Are you daft?

Also, young children shouldn't be taught it, it should be a high school course.

Originally posted by Alliance
Ancient mythology is very much a religion. Are you daft?

Please and Thankyou. 😊

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Originally posted by Nellinator
The Inquisition has little bearing on the cultural influence of Christianity.

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Originally posted by Nellinator
Martin Luther does need to be taught as Protestantism and Catholicism are both their seperation is influential

And Abraham's followers became jews, christians and muslims and so on.

Originally posted by Nellinator
and in Alberta the Reformation was required learning in until about 10 years ago, but most teachers still cover it briefly.

The reformation is taught in school still, as far as I know. I forgot you were from Canada.

Originally posted by Nellinator
The Inquistition has no bearing on the foundations of modern Christianity.

If you don't want to include the bad with the good, then you just want a sunday school class in our public schools.

Originally posted by Nellinator
The Reformation does, the Renaissance does, the Holy Roman Empire does not. That is the limit of these things.

If you don't want to include the bad with the good, then you just want a sunday school class in our public schools.

You think the Renaissance is a result of christianity? And why not include the Holy Roman empire?

Originally posted by Nellinator
Sure teach them why some weren't included and why some weren't, that could easily be briefly covered in less than one lecture.

Sure, you could quickly skim over why so many books were included and why some were not. But I'm talking about all of them. Maybe the teacher could point out how the baby Jesus floated down from heaven and told those church officials which books should be included in the Bible and which (and more importantly why)others should not. Maybe the teacher could explain why Mary Magdalene has been portrayed as a hooker for the last 2000 years. Why women have been treated like second class citizens to this day. Why don't you tell us the short and sweet answer to why this is such a light topic in the history of "modern" christianity?

Originally posted by Nellinator
I'm not against teaching the dark spots in history if its culturally relevant.

The inquisition might not be effecting the daily happenings of the average high school age christian in Canada, but it certainly has a lot to do with religious relevance, and it's effect on human history.

Originally posted by Alliance
Ancient mythology is very much a religion. Are you daft?

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I don't see how future archeologists in Jerusalem will be able to have some insight to their work if the Bible is removed from academic studies.

Really, whatever the beef some people may have agaisn't religious fanatics should not be a reason to not allow the bible to be study. Furthermore putting limits on education and learning on different subjects is by far the most stupidest thinking ever.

Not when it comes to religion. We're a very religious culture and teaching different religions in school all willy nilly is not the way to go and it's not stupid to think that.

anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I don't see how future archeologists in Jerusalem will be able to have some insight to their work if the Bible is removed from academic studies.

No one is suggesting that it be removed from academic studies.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Really, whatever the beef some people may have agaisn't religious fanatics should not be a reason to not allow the bible to be studied. Furthermore putting limits on education and learning on different subjects is by far the stupidest thinking ever.

No one is putting any limits on education. The point is mandatory religious studies in public schools and the possible agenda held by teachers in such a position.

Captain Fantastic, would you support teaching about homosexuality in school? I think so, but would this lead into an uprise in the worlds homosexual population, unlikely because as you said, being gay isn't a choice, however, children might not be taught about homosexuality in an objective manner and grow thinking its either horribly wrong or something normal that they should do.

Apparently just like the Bible, teaching about gays is dangerous corruptive and should be dealth with in the home!

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Captain Fantastic, would you support teaching about homosexuality in school? I think so, but would this lead into an uprise in the worlds homosexual population, unlikely because as you said, being gay isn't a choice, however, children might not be taught about homosexuality in an objective manner and grow thinking its either horribly wrong or something normal that they should do.

Apparently just like the Bible, teaching about gays is dangerous corruptive and should be dealth with in the home!

You wouldn't happen to maybe wanna possibly go back and read what I wrote, would you?

lol at Americans. Whats the problem pals? Over here students are giving the choice to take Religious Education which is centred around many religions and morals etc and not just the teaching of the most practised religion in the country. Religion should never be taught in science or something like that, it should be given its own subject in which its the students choice whether they wish to learn about it or not... Why all the fuss?

We're not teaching religoin sin science. We're teaching religion in religion.

Just a thought: If the religious think that 'alternate theories' like intelligent design be taught in schools, don't you think 'alternate theories' of religion should be taught too? Teaching only the Bible is a bit dogmatic, is it not?

Of course, Evolution is little away from scientific fact and religion can never be proved, so...

I apologize if this has already been said, I didn't want to search all the way back.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
No one is putting any limits on education. The point is mandatory religious studies in public schools and the possible agenda held by teachers in such a position.

Back in the day-in Scotland(maybe all the UK Religious Education is compulsory)- we had an RE teacher who was actually the leader of a small independent Church, now he tried to convert people, it was obvious, but I don't think he ever managed to get anyone...it may have had something to do with the fact that we were all capable of understanding the stuff and immune to any brainwashing, though I don't think he was brainwashing as such, just preaching opposed to teaching.

Originally posted by Magee
lol at Americans. Whats the problem pals? Over here students are giving the choice to take Religious Education which is centred around many religions and morals etc and not just the teaching of the most practised religion in the country. Religion should never be taught in science or something like that, it should be given its own subject in which its the students choice whether they wish to learn about it or not... Why all the fuss?

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