Originally posted by AllianceIm talking about the U.S. Not your country. But in other countries, it is mandatory yes, Because countries originate with a religious past. In South America for example, has a 95% population of catholics that are willing to teach and pass t he word of The Virgin Mary, Jesus Christ, and Jehova.
Wake up. I've already said it was mandatory at my high school.
Originally posted by JacopeX
Im talking about the U.S. Not your country. But in other countries, it is mandatory yes, Because countries originate with a religious past. In South America for example, has a 95% population of catholics that are willing to teach and pass t he word of The Virgin Mary, Jesus Christ, and Jehova.
1) Alliance is from United States
2) Christianity has raped South America....especially Peru. Do you even know about Manco Copa ? The Legend of Lake Titicaca ? The glory of the Incan Empire and everything they achieved ?
Do you know how Catholic Spaniards stole Peruvian Gold ? Do you know your country was so much richer and more prosperous before Christianity reared its ugly head ?
Do you know that Catholic Spaniards melted Golden Incan treasures, relics of splended Incan History, and transformed them into blocks ?
Most of KMC is ignorant of Peru and its history, but NOT ME Jacope. I am also Peruvian by blood, and I cannot forget the conquest of Christianity and destruction of our Ancient culture.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen1) Ok.
1) Alliance is from United States2) Christianity has raped South America....especially Peru. Do you even know about Manco Copa ? The Legend of Lake Titicaca ? The glory of the Incan Empire and everything they achieved ?
Do you know how Catholic Spaniards stole Peruvian Gold ? Do you know your country was so much richer and more prosperous before Christianity reared its ugly head ?
Do you know that Catholic Spaniards melted Golden Incan treasures, relics of splended Incan History, and transformed them into blocks ?
Most of KMC is ignorant of Peru and its history, but [b]NOT ME
Jacope. I am also Peruvian by blood, and I cannot forget the conquest of Christianity and destruction of our Ancient culture. [/B]
2) Yes, I have studied it all, but how does history have to make you question christianity if it is belived by faith. Raped? Coming from an atheist, it comes without a shock to hear that word when it comes to religion.🙄 I've been to those places aswell were the incans settled and it was an interesting place to be in with all the mysteries you find out.
3) Yes I know it all, but I pay attention more to the spaniards then to the rise of the CATHOLIC religion. We believed in the sun before.
Dont think I dont know anything. I know alot more about the conquest of Fransisco Pizarro and the conquistadores. They have taken all of our riches, and gave us the word of religion. But how is that brainwashing if it was a choice we made. If Atahualpa wanted to make a sacrifice for the religion of the sun, then he would of stayed that way and died for hisi ncan tribe. I wouldve done it for the whole tribe. For the faith I have for a religion I prospure. But of course, you would not understand that. I know how powerless and defensless the Incans were against the spanish. These are one of the reasons why I dont like the Spanish. not only that, there are many things through history they caused damage.
Look up "Faith".
Originally posted by JacopeX
1) Ok.2) Yes, I have studied it all, but how does history have to make you question christianity if it is belived by faith. Raped? Coming from an atheist, it comes without a shock to hear that word when it comes to religion.🙄 I've been to those places aswell were the incans settled and it was an interesting place to be in with all the mysteries you find out.
3) Yes I know it all, but I pay attention more to the spaniards then to the rise of the CATHOLIC religion. We believed in the sun before.
Dont think I dont know shit. I know alot more about the conquest of Fransisco Pizarro and the conquistadores. They have taken all of our riches, and gave us te word of religion. But how is that brainwashing if it was a choice we made. If Atahualpa wanted to make a sacrifice for the religion of the sun, then he would of stayed that way and died for hisi ncan tribe. I wouldve done it for the whole tribe. For the faith I have for a religion I prospure. But of course, you would not understand that. I know how powerless and defensless the Incans were against the spanish. These are one of the reasons why I dont like the Spanish. not only that, there are many things through history they caused damage.
Look up "Faith".
The Incan tribes were forced to become Catholic because they were over powered by the Spaniards.
You ever hear of Tupac Amaru ?
No...not the rapper, the man he was named after....he was killed by Catholic Spaniards, because of his refusal to submit to the Spaniards....refusal to become a servant, and refusal to become Christian...
The INCANS DID FIGHT BACK...they simply LOST THE FIGHT.
Inti, the sun god, was simply replaced by the character you know as Jehova....don't be a fool Jacope....
Incans did not CHOOSE to submit and change thier religion. They HAD to change, because it was either submit or DIE....thier numbers were running to low.
The children of these fallen Incas were then taught Christianity, and were forced to speak Spanish....to speak the Incan Language of Cechua was considered a social atrocity, as well as to refer to any of the Peruvian Legends....
Bottom Line: CHRISTIANITY WAS SPREAD BY THE SWORD....NOT BY PEACE, NOT BY ANY POSITIVE MEANS
You claim you aren't Ignorant ?
Then you must know this.....you have Faith, because that's how you were RAISED.....Peru is a Catholic Nation...that's no secret. However, because the people in power were Catholic, and because Catholicism is a mandatory cirriculum in Peru, that is why you are all Catholic...not by CHOICE, but by nurture....so yes...that IS brainwashing.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenI skipped to the last part because the history lesson to me is very useless now.
The Incan tribes were [b]forced to become Catholic because they were over powered by the Spaniards.You ever hear of Tupac Amaru ?
No...not the rapper, the man he was named after....he was killed by Catholic Spaniards, because of his refusal to submit to the Spaniards....refusal to become a servant, and refusal to become Christian...
The INCANS DID FIGHT BACK...they simply LOST THE FIGHT.
Inti, the sun god, was simply replaced by the character you know as Jehovah....don't be a fool Jacope....
Incans did not CHOOSE to submit and change thier religion. They HAD to change, because it was either submit or DIE....thier numbers were running to low.
The children of these fallen Incas were then taught Christianity, and were forced to speak Spanish....to speak the Incan Language of Cechua was considered a social atrocity, as well as to refer to any of the Peruvian Legends....
Bottom Line: CHRISTIANITY WAS SPREAD BY THE SWORD....NOT BY PEACE, NOT BY ANY POSITIVE MEANS
You claim you aren't Ignorant ?
Then you must know this.....you have Faith, because that's how you were RAISED.....Peru is a Catholic Nation...that's no secret. However, because the people in power were Catholic, and because Catholicism is a mandatory cirriculum in Peru, that is why you are all Catholic...not by CHOICE, but by nurture....so yes...that IS brainwashing. [/B]
Now, without a religion, you expect South America to be an Atheist Continent? That part got me thinking alot. It depends actually on what we believe it now days. Every religion has it's beliefs of many sub cultural ways as well, don't forget that. When the Spaniards took over the Whole West coast of South America is an example. Brainwashing? Well, we have been brainwashed for hundreds of years? If we never knew that we have been brainwashed, then 95% of the Peruvians are idiots. Pretty ignorant logic if you ask me. The religion is still within our faith as we believe and have faith in our CATHOLIC religion.
Yes I know Tupac Amaru, and the rest. No, not the rapper. IF it was the rapper, its Tupac Shakur. Really, with all the slow talking, you are getting no where.
Ignorant? OK. Whatever. We had a different Religion and it was the belief of mother nature such as the sun. The Aztecs and the Mayans went through the same problems as well, but Atheist have a terrible history. I made research on them for school and they have killed alot more from the power of Nazism, Communism, Fascism, and alot more.
Jehovah now days is known as God. I'm the fool? I'm talking about what we know now days.
Originally posted by JacopeX
I skipped to the last part because the history lesson to me is very useless now.Now, without a religion, you expect South America to be an Atheist Continent? That part got me thinking alot. It depends actually on what we believe it now days. Every religion has it's beliefs of many sub cultural ways as well, don't forget that. When the Spaniards took over the Whole West coast of South America is an example. Brainwashing? Well, we have been brainwashed for hundreds of years? If we never knew that we have been brainwashed, then 95% of the Peruvians are idiots. Pretty ignorant logic if you ask me. The religion is still within our faith as we believe and have faith in our CATHOLIC religion.
Yes I know Tupac Amaru, and the rest. No, not the rapper. IF it was the rapper, its Tupac Shakur. Really, with all the slow talking, you are getting no where.
Ignorant? OK. Whatever. We had a different Religion and it was the belief of mother nature such as the sun. The Aztecs and the Mayans went through the same problems as well, but Atheist have a terrible history. I made research on them for school and they have killed alot more from the power of Nazism, Communism, Fascism, and alot more.
Jehovah now days is known as God. I'm the fool? I'm talking about what we know now days.
You are completely missing the point.....
I don't care about Peru being Catholic today....I don't care about your Faith. Your Faith is your right...your Faith is your own personal intepretation of what you were taught mixed with Hope in effort to better your life, and life of your loved ones..
I am not asking you to justify your Faith..I would never ask that.
What I am asking you is why you excuse Catholicism, when you know full well what it did to your country....
You KNOW Catholicism was spread by bloodshed and violence, but that's somehow okay ? It doesn't get you to question your Church, question why this happened ? How this was right ?
Where is your pride, seriously ?
Incans suffered died because of the spread of Christianity...you're OWN PEOPLE.....Christians ALSO stole your Gold, and reduced Peru to the state of Poverty it is today. It's White, Catholic Peruvians who are primarily rich, not Native Peruvians.
Because of Christianity it was a SIN to speak Cechua...you're Ancient Language....OUR Ancient Language.
How can you EXCUSE the spread of Christianity in Peru ? It was NOT a good thing.....it cost a lot of LIVES AND BLOOD...on TOP of that our riches....
After the spread of Christianity, Native Peruvians went from being very wealthy to being poor as Hell.
And YES Peru WAS brainwashed....no, that does NOT mean Peruvians are idiots....you were FORCED into this new beleif by a more powerful force...the Spaniards. It's not your fault....I am not insulting Peru, or Peruvian Catholics.
I am specifically asking YOU, Jacope X, how can you CONDONE the Spread of Christianity in Peru, when you know it was spread by means of bloodshed, violence, murder, and theft ?????
And secondly, Atheists were rarely ever in power...you're claim that more people died because of Atheism is total bullshit. More people have been tortured and killed in the name of God than anything else in History. GET your FACTS STRAIGHT !
Originally posted by Nellinator
Umm... Christianity was not spread by the sword. The biggest conversion were all done in a peaceable manner after the semi-conversion of Constantine. Before Constantine, Christians were peacebly spreading the gospel and being persecuted without much resistance. I just thought I'd clear that up.
Shut the **** up ...you don't know what we're talking about...I'm not talking about Europe, I am talking about South America and Peru...
YES, in South American, CHRISTIANITY WAS SPREAD BY THE SWORD....both myself and Jacope KNOW THIS...do NOT speak of things you are ignorant of Nellinator.
If you do not know what we are talking about, then stay the hell out
Originally posted by Lord UrizenI accept the history of how Peru and south America became a Catholic/Christian continent by the hands of the Spaniards. Thats all I need to say. I never did agree with the things they have done by forcing us into religion. I think People would know that we are brainwashed our selves and become non believers easily since we already have the history of how religion has spread ed. Who would not know that? Peru is a very rich historically, but thanks to the conquistadores, they have taken everything and forced us and also TAUGHT us the religion of catholic and Christianity. I'm going to stay catholic however because of what I believe, not the history of the spaniards, but the Religion itself.
I am specifically asking [b]YOU, Jacope X, how can you CONDONE the Spread of Christianity in Peru, when you know it was spread by means of bloodshed, violence, murder, and theft ?????And secondly, Atheists were rarely ever in power...you're claim that more people died because of Atheism is total bullshit. More people have been tortured and killed in the name of God than anything else in History. GET your FACTS STRAIGHT ! [/B]
I love it how every Atheist deny how many Atheist or Anti religious groups have killed in quests, Tyranny, etc. I have given facts already.
Originally posted by JacopeX
I accept the history of how Peru and south America became a Catholic/Christian continent by the hands of the Spaniards. Thats all I need to say. I never did agree with the things they have done by forcing us into religion. I think People would know that we are brainwashed our selves and become non believers easily since we already have the history of how religion has spread ed. Who would not know that? Peru is a very rich historically, but thanks to the conquistadores, they have taken everything and forced us and also TAUGHT us the religion of catholic and Christianity. I'm going to stay catholic however because of what I believe, not the history of the spaniards, but the Religion itself.I love it how every Atheist deny how many Atheist or Anti religious groups have killed in quests, Tyranny, etc. I have given facts already.
I am just happy that you acknowledge that Christianity was spread by the sword...and you said you do not approve of how it was spread....good 👆
That's all I was looking for: Whether you denied it, or faced it.
I am not Atheist. I am Buddhist. Secondly, I did not deny Atheist Tyrants....the dictator of China is the perfect example. However, there are far more Christian and Islamic Tyrants then there were Atheist....
Secondly Atheism does not give any justification for violence, nor does it promote it. Atheism is simply a lack of beleif in God...there are no references or guidlines that Atheism gives for any action-good or bad.
Christianity and Islam (or better yet, the Bible and Quran) give definate justification for violence and hate. It's all there, ready to view.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenI do know exactly what happened in South America. But you see saying this:
Shut the **** up ...you don't know what we're talking about...I'm not talking about Europe, I am talking about South America and Peru...YES, in South American, CHRISTIANITY WAS SPREAD BY THE SWORD....both myself and Jacope KNOW THIS...do NOT speak of things you are ignorant of Nellinator.
If you do not know what we are talking about, then stay the hell out
Originally posted by Nellinator
I do know exactly what happened in South America. But you see saying this:
Bottom Line: CHRISTIANITY WAS SPREAD BY THE SWORD....NOT BY PEACE, NOT BY ANY POSITIVE MEANS
should not be taken out of context and all too often it is. I was not arguing against the fact that Christianity was forced in South America. You need to stop jumping to conclusions and consider what people's motives are. You are more judgemental and quicker to jump than anyone else on the forum. Why don't you calm down and remember some of that Buddhism you profess to follow?
YOU JUST SAID THAT CHRISTIANITY WAS NOT SPREAD BY THE SWORD, and now you admit that it was....you do realize that, no ?
And right now I am furious...you do not know what I've been through in the past few weeks....do not seek to judge me at this moment.
Yes, it originally spread by word, then later it was spread by sword. It is important to seperate the two occasions though.
I don't which is why I am simply asking you to just chill a little bit and remember that I am not here to judge you and I'm trying to remind you that we have in the past had civil discussions that are far more productive than what is occurring now. Can we do that please?