Originally posted by kgkgIt is a great way To gauge since it is the same exact object however That was only KingTHor not RKT who was far beyond King Thor's power.
Terrible way at gauging output level to be honest. In that story line Thor fixes the shield later... so it was ok for the shield to be bent because it would not affect future stories.But the shield usually tanks everything the only exception is when the story has the character that destroy it to fix it latter.
You can say that Thor has crazy output level sure but Thanos not damaging the shield doesn't prove he didn't have similar output level.
Originally posted by Stoic Except for the fact that Thanos wasn't in control of himself and wasn't holding back. How could he be if his mind was gone?Thanos wasn't at full power at that point he was getting stronger as time passed since his return.
Originally posted by Stoic Also how is it a terrible way of placing a gauge on his output? I would say that the shield test is a perfect scale to gauge the output. Anything below doing what Thor did obviously had lower a lower damage yield.Your not understanding what I meant. I already explained why the shield was affected in the King Thor incident and not the other one.
We have seen greater forces attack the shield and it didn't do any damage. So if someone like Eternity attacks the Avengers and Cap and his shield survived it will mean that King Thor's power put is greater than Eternity?
The incident of KT bending the shield is a great feat for Thor but that does not mean it was greater than Thanos output or anyone else who hasn't affected the shield because I can name is lots of big names where the shield was fine.
Originally posted by DarkOdinYes but that said object is a prime weapon of a character. The writers won't allow it to break unless someone will fix it later. Point is the shield has survive greater forces than King Thor.
It is a great way To gauge since it is the same exact object however That was only KingTHor not RKT who was far beyond King Thor's power.
Originally posted by kgkg
Thanos wasn't at full power at that point he was getting stronger as time passed since his return.Your not understanding what I meant. I already explained why the shield was affected in the King Thor incident and not the other one.
We have seen greater forces attack the shield and it didn't do any damage. So if someone like Eternity attacks the Avengers and Cap and his shield survived it will mean that King Thor's power put is greater than Eternity?
The incident of KT bending the shield is a great feat for Thor but that does not mean it was greater than Thanos output or anyone else who hasn't affected the shield because I can name is lots of big names where the shield was fine.
Ok I get you now. The only thing is that it did happen on panel, and it was really the only thing that I could come up with to gauge these two in terms of power output.
When seen in this light though, there is a glaring gap in power levels, and even if Thanos is twice what he was when initially being removed from his induced chrysalis/cocoon, I would be very surprised if he could do any better than his previous attempt (the shield bash).
Originally posted by rotiartDidn't he have odin force and rune magics?Which would put him above Odin..
Rune king Thor is not above Odin. He is only equal. And still being equal to Odin is enough to win.
Originally posted by WarlordPR Beyonder?IG thanos?
what has the shield survived that was beyond highfather going all out attack?just asking...
Originally posted by kgkg
Thanos wasn't at full power at that point he was getting stronger as time passed since his return.
I thought when he initially returned, he wasn't weakened, quite the opposite. When he first returned he seemed to be completely invulnerable -to both mental and physical attacks- and after he was blasted by the Cosmic Cube, whatever power he had was like reset or lost. Which was why killing him was suddenly an option and he could be controlled mentally.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusWhen Thanos returned he was crazy/insane he wasn’t at full power. The Cosmic Cube shattered Thanos’s mental protection that is why he was vulnerable to those mental attacks. Peter even says that all the CC did was to daze Thanos so they could contain him; there is never a mention anywhere that Thanos started at full powerful. It is the other way around when Thanos was able to get his mental state in check he was getting more powerful as noted by Cosmos.
I thought when he initially returned, he wasn't weakened, quite the opposite. When he first returned he seemed to be completely invulnerable -to both mental and physical attacks- and after he was blasted by the Cosmic Cube, whatever power he had was like reset or lost. Which was why killing him was suddenly an option and he could be controlled mentally.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusIt been a while since I read the arc...But wasn't it stated that Odin never learned rune magic... If he had that knowledge why didn't he stop the Ragnarok cycle?
If he was above Odin, it'd only be a slight difference. The power of the Runes was something Odin had already gained long, long, long ago. Albeit, he never manifested the power like Thor did and all though Odin had a form of omniscience, I don't recall it being as encompassing as Thor's was.
I don't recall such a thing being stated. Odin did stop the Ragnarok Cycle.
Originally posted by kgkg
When Thanos returned he was crazy/insane he wasn’t at full power. The Cosmic Cube shattered Thanos’s mental protection that is why he was vulnerable to those mental attacks. Peter even says that all the CC did was to daze Thanos so they could contain him; there is never a mention anywhere that Thanos started at full powerful. It is the other way around when Thanos was able to get his mental state in check he was getting more powerful as noted by Cosmos.
When Thanos returned, he was straight up invulnerable to anything the Guardians of the Globe could dish, including mental attacks. After the Cosmic Cube was used, all that power seemed to have been lost and he was suddenly very vulnerable. Hence why killing him -or at least hurting him- was suddenly an option. Being mindless doesn't automatically give a character such a boost in power.
Where did Cosmo say that gathering himself mentally is what made Thanos more powerful?
I'm pretty sure Cosmo said that Thanos' power had grown to the point their telepathy could not keep him in check. I.e. his growing in power. Most likely to the levels we saw when he first came back.
Originally posted by StoicDefinitely. Dragon Age best game ever. I don't much get into shooters.
Hey Quanchi, are you going to pick up Dragon Age 2? I loved the first one. Fallout New Vegas is dope, I'm checking it out now.
Originally posted by Black bolt zHow does he beat Manos?
WHen does Da:2 come out?Anyway even after the upgrade RKT wins at least 9/10.
Originally posted by rotiartThor was above Odin.
Rune king Thor is not above Odin. He is only equal. And still being equal to Odin is enough to win.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusPermanently?
I don't recall such a thing being stated. Odin did stop the Ragnarok Cycle.
When Thanos returned, he was straight up invulnerable to anything the Guardians of the Globe could dish, including mental attacks. After the Cosmic Cube was used, all that power seemed to have been lost and he was suddenly very vulnerable. Hence why killing him -or at least hurting him- was suddenly an option. Being mindless doesn't give a character such a boost in power. What? Where did Cosmo say that gathering himself mentally is what made him more powerful? I'm pretty sure Cosmo said that Thanos' power had grown to the point their telepathy could not keep them in check. I.e. his growing in power. Most likely to the levels we saw when he first came back.He was vulnerable to mental attacks...When they contained him that is all they used to seduce him. It was stated that CC took out his mental defense.
No where does it say he was weakened when he first appeared.
Originally posted by kgkg
Permanently?
Yes. At least as far as we know now.
Originally posted by kgkg
He was vulnerable to mental attacks...When they contained him that is all they used to seduce him. It was stated that CC took out his mental defense.
Eh? I'm pretty sure it was stated by Cosmo or Mantis that their best was doing nothing to him as he was somehow protected mentally. He was also invulnerable in the Juggernaut like sense when he returned. After the Cosmic Cube blast, this clearly was not the case. Killing him -at the very least hurting him- suddenly became an option and so did containing him mentally.
What don't you understand?
Originally posted by kgkg
No where does it say he was weakened when he first appeared.
Then it sure is convenient for me that I'm not arguing anything of the sort.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus Yes. At least as far as we know now.When did this happen?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus Eh? I'm pretty sure it was stated by Cosmo or Mantis that their best was doing nothing to him as he was somehow protected mentally. He was also invulnerable in the Juggernaut like sense when he returned. After the Cosmic Cube blast, this clearly was not the case. Killing him -at the very least hurting him- suddenly became an option and so did containing him mentally. What don't you understand?I already explained to to you why mental attacks started working after the CC incident... The cubed took away whatever that was protecting his mind.
The only thing we did see them try at the early stage was mental attacks... He was only hurt by a plot weapon which happened much latter. Them talking about killing him doesn't prove anything really.