dr. strange and silver surfer vs green lantern and dr. fate

Originally posted by janus77
'scuse me, but GLs are depicted as making rather comical use of their rings. The Surfer's powers are just far more varied and dynamic. from altering dna (on a planetwide scale) to creating blackholes and travelling in time.

Originally posted by janus77
of course The Surfer is more versatile (and much faster - billions of times the speed of light, can the human GLs actually even process information/sensations coming at those speeds?).

Originally posted by janus77
just because the ring allows GLs to come up with anything they want doesn't mean that they're no longer human (and limited by the same physiology as the rest of us).

Originally posted by Validus
He's not faster in straight line flight. GL's can fly at light years per second, same as Radd.

Strange and Surfer take it.

Originally posted by Ethereal
Strange and Surfer take it.

Can surfer over come being sucked into the GL ring? and can dr. strange remove himself from a helmet dump where the power of Nabu is supreme? These things I would like to know.

Surfer has a weakness against magic. GL does not. This puts strange and Surfer at a disadvantage becuz Fate can easily put Surfer down but Strange cannot easily put GL down.

Which Fate is it? I've seen more versatility from Strange than Fate, so far...but I'm not done with Fate as of half of the 80's and most of the 90's appearances yet though. Not sure how Strange's Amulet would fare against Fate.

The only GL I see giving Surf trouble is Hal. That's always been a stalemate on these boards, which a slight lean towards Surfer.

Originally posted by Ethereal
Which Fate is it? I've seen more versatility from Strange than Fate, so far...but I'm not done with Fate as of half of the 80's and most of the 90's appearances yet though. Not sure how Strange's Amulet would fare against Fate.

The only GL I see giving Surf trouble is Hal. That's always been a stalemate on these boards, which a slight lean towards Surfer.

Hal feats are far far superior to any of Surfers. Hands down. Reverse the opponents. GL's are resistant to magic actually all but immune to it. Kyle's ring was even able to Hurt the Angels. Where Surfer is weak to magic. Fate can KO surfer easily enough and then it's a double team on strange. With GL being resistant to magic.

This is a very good match up. These are four of my all time favorite characters.

I think Hal Jordan and Silver Surfer are a good match up, but the Silver Surfer is more powerful in the end. The power cosmic has a stronger origin and I have seen better feats from the Surfer on a consistent basis.

I have probably seen more from Dr. Strange than Dr. Fate, but I Fate can be very impressive as well. In a joint Marvel/D.C. universe probably Dr. Strange would still be Earth's Sorcerer Supreme, however. I think I'll give Dr. Fate a better chance against Dr. Strange than I would give Green Lantern against Silver Surfer, however.

So probably I would say Marvel takes it by a small margin. Either outright, or Silver Surfer takes out Dr. Fate in the event he defeats Dr. Strange.

All the characters are pretty cool in terms of overall look and M.O. as well. Dr. Strange is a bit lower in this department because his spells have that classic cool/corny combination and he doesn't have that tough looking helmet w/polo-shirt collar look that Dr. Fate has. Hal's mask basically makes the costume (they really should give John Stewart the same mask). Silver Surfer is a classic.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Hal feats are far far superior to any of Surfers. Hands down. Reverse the opponents. GL's are resistant to magic actually all but immune to it. Kyle's ring was even able to Hurt the Angels. Where Surfer is weak to magic. Fate can KO surfer easily enough and then it's a double team on strange. With GL being resistant to magic.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Surfer is no more susceptible to magic than a GL. He's not immune to it, neither is it some sort of weakness.

Lol, I was going to say that Surfer just recently had a power increase, but we havent seen that much of it, with that said I was taking that into account--we atleast say that a Power Increased Surfer and Hal stalemate? Until Strange deals with Fate long enough with a dimensional trap, time/chronal freeze, or something from his Eye of Aggy; to help Surfer with Hal.

Fate, if it's Classic Kent, is stronger, faster and more durable than Strange on a raw level, but to me Strange has shown more/versatile magical abilities and more powerful deity's to call upon than Fate. I'd say those abilities outweight the scale better than GL's ability and resistance to magic over Surfer, I mean.. he's not completely invulnerable to it, and heralds arent that helpless against magic, at Fate's level.

Originally posted by Ethereal
Lol, I was going to say that Surfer just recently had a power increase, but we havent seen that much of it, but with that said I was taking that into account--could we atleast say that him and Hal stalemate? Until Strange deals with Fate long enough with a dimensional trap, time/chronal freeze, or something from his Eye of Aggy; to help Surfer with Hal.

Fate, if it's Classic Kent, is stronger, faster and more durable than Strange on a raw level, but to me Strange has shown more/versatile magical abilities and more powerful deity's to call upon. I'd say those abilities outweight the scale better than GL's ability and resistance to magic over Surfer, I mean.. he's not invulnerable to it, and heralds arent that helpless against magic, at Fate's level.

At fate's lvl? You do realize that All Dr. Fates have the combined power of every fate before them. I'd say take every feat of every fate and compound them and you have what ever current fate there is. I dont' think Strange can dispel fate. Fate has more spells in his helm that strange could ever memorize.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
GLs can attain interstellar velocities like Surfer, however I doubt most Lantern's could keep up with Surfer's top speeds without teleporting or using portals. That'd be like saying any GL can match the Flash's top speed. Can such a thing be true?

What top speed? Surfer could barely keep up with Thor and Thanos. And this isn't a racing contest, which both Surfer and GL's are really fast in (their flight).

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I dont' think so. I think surfer is much more subjective to magic than Hal.

At Dvampire: where did that come from? Neither Thor nor Thanos have outdistanced Surfer.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
This is subjective and I hold an opinion opposite yours. One thing that can be objectively stated is that Surfer has never shown a weakness to magic. He's stood against Loki and Mephisto enough times to prove it.

Loki is a lame and Mephisto is a jobber. Mephisto can stand up to big G. So much for standing up to Mephisto. One Dump of surfer into nabu's world and its over for surfer before one quantum hand raises.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
This is subjective and I hold an opinion opposite yours. One thing that can be objectively stated is that Surfer has never shown a weakness to magic. He's stood against Loki and Mephisto enough times to prove it.

Loki was able to manipulate his magic on Surfer, boosting his power when he fought Thor. So he's not resistant to it either (he didn't even know until later).

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Hal feats are far far superior to any of Surfers. Hands down. Reverse the opponents. GL's are resistant to magic actually all but immune to it. Kyle's ring was even able to Hurt the Angels. Where Surfer is weak to magic. Fate can KO surfer easily enough and then it's a double team on strange. With GL being resistant to magic.

How is Fate going to KO Surfer so easy just because magic works on him? It's not like he'll go down by one spell. He's not a pokemon.

Originally posted by dvampire
Loki was able to manipulate his magic on Surfer, boosting his power when he fought Thor. So he's not resistant to it either (he didn't even know until later).

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Loki is a lame and Mephisto is a jobber. Mephisto can stand up to big G. So much for standing up to Mephisto. One Dump of surfer into nabu's world and its over for surfer before one quantum hand raises.

edit: ...and the double post.

Originally posted by dvampire
How is Fate going to KO Surfer so easy just because magic works on him? It's not like he'll go down by one spell. He's not a pokemon.

Not KO. Seal his soul in the Nabu wrealm.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
And that was a depowered version of Surfer who was still able to stalemate Loki, who could collapse skyscrapers with a touch. How does that show a weakness to magic?

I'm not really sure what you're getting at here. Loki and Mephisto are both powerful magic users (not the best, but powerful).

Surfer was at full strength combined with Loki's power, he even stated that he was stronger than he normally was. It shows that magic does effect him, because Loki was able to use magic to enhance Surfer without him knowing.