Thor vs broly

I do hang around here a lot. Mostly in the comics part though sometimes in the games or the anime/manga section.

Also in their fight with Broli they didn't exactly show much super speed fighting. Broli dodged their attacks one time something I've seen Superman do against Mongul. He just beat them down as they came at him. He swatted them away like flies. Also the DBZ characters actually only have one ace in their sleeves. The blasts. Thor I'm not so sure off but Superman could easily create a vortex by moving around them at high speeds that sucks all the air out to KO them. Superman's speed even without fighting would be a big advantage.

Thor I can't really say but I do know that he's extremely strong and fights people that make the Z fighters look weak in strength and in durability. One hit and that would be really all it would take for him to win. Speed Blurs and all that don't mean much in animes though so who really knows how fast they fight. I know Kenshiro from Fist of the North Star moves faster then fighters can follow that are some of the strongest and fastest in the world but I know for a fact he isn't taking out somebody like Thor just because the speed and he is a master of his martial arts along with a few others. And in Sc-Ry-Ed it never really seems like they move that fast but Cougar breaks the sound barrier while fighting Kazuma and then Kazuma steals the speed and is also able to break the sound barrier while fighting. Again I know neither has the strength to beat Thor even if Kazuma was able to rebel against death and live for a few thousands years. Nothing any Z characters have done in the anime or movies have shown me they have what it takes to survive punches from a person of Thor's strength level nor have the strength physically to hurt anybody with his durability.

Why is this still open?

Only one Broly beats Thor.

THE NIGHTMARE SSJ3

I doubt Broly can survive hit from hammer that travels faster then the speed of light. Thor will hit Broly ass out of earths orbit and the solar system which Thor has done before. Thor is too versatile for Broly any marvel character will smoke Broly, I can make a list it would be to damn long.

broly blows up asgard...earth...the galaxy...

Originally posted by Priest
no, in the cooler returns movie, we see Goku and Cooler duke it out using Instant transmission, vegita couldent even keep up with their movments

Non - canon.

Really? then wat the the japanease transaltion say?

Just something like "Wow, I can't believe how fast he is!" or some such.

yes, but their movments cant be followed by normal eyes, actually the top guys like goku cant be followed by their fellow DBZ peers.

Only for short bursts. For most of the fight they can be seen.

their is no evidance that superman can fight at speed beyond light, he maybe able to fly at those speeds but cant fight.
like i said before the DBZ characters fight at high speeds on the regular, and they fight better w/ martial art mixed in imo..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFUBw9uNs20

He fought Wonder Woman to the sun and back in under 2 minutes, he accelerated to beyond lightspeed and tagged Max Mercury, he raced the Flash around the world (avoiding obstacles along the way, this indicates extreme reaction speed) as well as attacking Flash with heat vision (which Flash outran).... many more examples.

Originally posted by Priest
no he hasent, he can blitz some on in high speeds, but he can't fight some one in hight sppeds like a DBZ character... he's no flash

Imperiex, Doomsday, SBP, Mongul.... he even fought the Flash once and matched him for the most part.

Well lets take silver Surfer for example, we all know that he can fly at multiple sppeds of light, but he cant throw multiple punches at light speeds, at least until present..it doesnt make sence because its comics.

Actually, he can and he has. For example the Spinster was blitzing him at lightspeed and he KO'd her with one punch after getting annoyed.

Since when has Thor learned MA?[/qoote]

Believe it or not, any hand - to - hand combat technique counts as "martial arts".

[quote]But still Brolly was able to pawn the shit out of top tear martial art DBZ characters (trunks, vegita,goku, gohan, piccolo )...his overall power makes up for his fighting skill disadvantage..

Maybe against them (although he still lost) but not against Thor.

U must not no about Thor too much, Superman is way faster than him, but thor makes up for his versitility ..

Thor is faster than Supes in travelling speed, Supes is faster in reaction speed.

Originally posted by Priest
[B]thats my point, they can fly fast, but that doesnt make them able to move fight and use their agility as fast as they can fly..
Goku and brolly as a few other options too than just physcial attacts, half of their weapons are energy based..

Which is suicide against someone with a weapon that can absorb energy attacks and throw them back at you x100.

are you saying energy blasts have never worked on thor ever?

Dbz fans get brain washed from that show, don't even bother arguing with them as you will get no where. They all with no exception seem to think they can blow up the universe and Galaxy's, they think they are stronger and faster than guys like Superman, its pointless to even try. Its as if they all lack these things I like to call logic and common sense. 😉

Yo.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Which is suicide against someone with a weapon that can absorb energy attacks and throw them back at you x100.

tbh Mjolnir is the only thing that would keep Thor in this fight.

but if he throws it at Broly too many times I can see the mad Saiya-jin surprising him and stopping him from getting the hammer back.

Tazer

I wonder why I never saw a good debate with DBZ chars vs DC/Marvel chars, without illlogic and assumption. It was always onesided, where mostly comic fans showed their scans, prooved their points, and the DBZ fans used some kind of math that didn't made sense at all..... It's sad, really sad as DBZ is a great show, the chars are energymonsters and martial arts pros, but their strength and "invulnerability" doesn't even come close to beings like Thor. They are overrated because of all the fancy talk, and the lack of real feats and action. The feats we have are impressive, but no where near Herald level or Thor level. Anyway, just rambling, like the rest 😉.

well lets se at power level of 93 goku was able to dodge lightning and that was when he was but a little kid.

now his power level is well into the millions if not billions.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I wonder why I never saw a good debate with DBZ chars vs DC/Marvel chars, without illlogic and assumption. It was always onesided, where mostly comic fans showed their scans, prooved their points, and the DBZ fans used some kind of math that didn't made sense at all..... It's sad, really sad as DBZ is a great show, the chars are energymonsters and martial arts pros, but their strength and "invulnerability" doesn't even come close to beings like Thor. They are overrated because of all the fancy talk, and the lack of real feats and action. The feats we have are impressive, but no where near Herald level or Thor level. Anyway, just rambling, like the rest 😉.

Originally posted by capt it up
well lets se at power level of 93 goku was able to dodge lightning and that was when he was but a little kid.

now his power level is well into the millions if not billions.

PL is a good means of measure to compare DBZ.

PL is insignificant in a debate. PL will not necessarily save you from energy manipulation, matter transmutation, time manipulation, reality warping etc…

One can only bring forth abilities, and feats.

Not on topic but relevant

Current Superman wins.

Strength- SSJ3 Goku could barely lift halve a city and ssj4 Goku has trouble pushing a building. Superman lifts small moons with little effort and push Pluto size planets with light speed engines going against him. Supes is far stronger.

Speed- Instant Transmission is the fastest speed feat in DBZ/GT, which is a technique, not the Gokus actual speed; ssj4 Goku also couldn't out beat Omega Shinrons energy blasts, so hes not that fast. Superman has out raced an energy blast to its target, Impulse stats that Superman travels at 99% the speed of light, Superman made a trip from Earth to Saturn in under 4 minutes, Superman flew around the equator in a matter of seconds, and Superman can move so fast that he can vibrate his body invisible. Superman is far faster.

Durability- SSJ3/4 Goku get badly hurt by physical and energy attacks that are far less than star busters. Superman survived passage threw a worm hole, black hole, between two black holes, survive a sun eater at ground zero, took several blows from Elite who punching power was capable of destroying stars, took a punch that knock him from Earth to the Moon, and survived being punched through the planet. Supes is far more durable.

Stamina- SSJ3/4 takes up way too much energy when there fighting, Supes is able to fight for days. He has way more stamina.

Superman wins this match pretty easy IMO.

Thor is a match for Superman.

SSJ4 Goku kills Broly.

ABC Logic, but I think it applies to this thread.

Yo.

Strength- SSJ3 Goku could barely lift halve a city and ssj4 Goku has trouble pushing a building. Superman lifts small moons with little effort and push Pluto size planets with light speed engines going against him. Supes is far stronger.

the point in bold is a misnomer, as Supes performed that feat while sundipped.

and Id love to see wat the "lifts small moons" was a ref to, and Id love to see wat the "lifts small moons" was a ref to......

Tazer

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the Forum Rules for this forum specifically prohibit DBZ, and, more generally, all anime/manga?

Just wondering how this thread managed to stretch to 7 pages and is still not closed...

Originally posted by shksprtx
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the Forum Rules for this forum specifically prohibit DBZ, and, more generally, all anime/manga?

Just wondering how this thread managed to stretch to 7 pages and is still not closed...

I thought so:

Keep them comic related.
Matches between non-comic characters will be closed. DBZ and Star Wars, while they technically have comics, are primarily seen throught other mediums (TV and movies, respectively). The Star Wars Vs. forum is better suited for these matches, even if one is a comic character. And the Anime/Manga forum ahs 3 threads dedicated specifically to DBZ. Refer to them for DBZ stuff. Please create matches in the proper forums to make it easier for everyone. It has brought to our attention that this only deals with DBZ and SW. Their examples hold true, however, for any character that is not viewed primarily through a comic medium.

Originally posted by Tazer
In the Lex 2000 special, with a single strike, Superman split one of Saturn's moons in half. Saturn's moons are small moons. He also flew through a moon without being fased at all.

Adventure of Superman #473: From Earth, Superman threw an alien space craft clear of Earth?s gravity and into outer space. This craft was larger than an aircraft carrier and over a mile long (a typical aircraft carrier is about a 1/4 of a mile long and weighs about 100,000 tons, so this ship was about 4x that size)