Women speaking in Church
"let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law, and if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for woman to speak in the church."
1Corinthians 14:34-35
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Originally posted by Alliance
Who cares? You don't have to take the bible as literal to be a Christian. This is irrelevant.
I know....
I jjust think it's hilarious....people will claim that the Bible is not sexist, when it clearly is...im waiting for some Fundamental Christian to defend that quote somehow....
Originally posted by Alliance
So if it is irrelevant, how is this thread possibly useful beyond aggravating people?
I never said it was irrelevant. Only you have....
It is very relevant to many Christians, for example: JIA, Marcello, etc.
Even Chrisitans such as Nellinator or Feceman, who see the Bible as flawless, and as the word of God, will defend it.
Many Christians here have claimed that the Bible is perfection, since it is the word of God, and since thier God is perfect. They have also said the Bible is NOT sexist...
IT clearly Is however....I am hoping somebody will try to refute that.....not because I truly care....but because it would be fun to hear the answers.
Originally posted by Alliance
Who cares? You don't have to take the bible as literal to be a Christian. This is irrelevant.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I know....
So yeah, not wha toyu said earlier.
Besides, you don't apply this same arguemant the Qu'ran, so apparently you're just as irrelevant or ignorant or whatever.
Originally posted by Alliance
So yeah, not wha toyu said earlier.Besides, you don't apply this same arguemant the Qu'ran, so apparently you're just as irrelevant or ignorant or whatever.
When I said I know, I meant that I know you do not have to beleive in the Bible literally to be a Christian. I did not agree that this quote was irrelevant.
If this Biblical quote is irrelevant, than so is the rest of the Bible....therefore the religion thread would be irrelevant by default.
And no, your incorrect again.....
I am aware that there are moderate Muslims who do not follow the Quran tooth and nail....they primarily exist in United States, Europe, and some parts of the Middle East.
Islam today is a mess, and either needs to be further reformed or erased. The violence and bloodshed that Islam is responsible for today cannot simply be excused because you fear prejudice against Muslim people.
The Bible is a book i respect NO MORE than the Quran. I do not have a problem with Christian or Muslim people as I have stated numerous times....it is the BOOKS and the APPLICATION of the religion I have Anger towards.
Quit putting words in my ****ing mouth, and quit making half-ass arguments against me, when you do not understand my stance. ok ?
I'm just glad that God, unlike many people, recognizes that there is a difference between men and women. That said, you have no clue about the meaning of this verse. Go do some research on the culture of who he was sending it to and the church situation then perhaps you will understand. Remember what else Paul said about women the church so as not to misunderstand his belief and perhaps you will learn a thing or two about the position on women in the church.
Originally posted by Nellinator
I'm just glad that God, unlike many people, recognizes that there is a difference between men and women. That said, you have no clue about the meaning of this verse. Go do some research on the culture of who he was sending it to and the church situation then perhaps you will understand. Remember what else Paul said about women the church so as not to misunderstand his belief and perhaps you will learn a thing or two about the position on women in the church.
Oh God.... 😆
Let me guess, this is another quote that I could never understand because I'm not Evangelical 🙄
This is like when Feceman said that Homosexuality is not a sin, but that God punished Sodom and Gomorrah because men dedicated thier gay sex to false gods.....yeah ok.....
The verse clearly says it is a shame for women to speak in the Church....
Please do not give me this bullshit about how this verse has a "secret meaning" that myself and other non-Christians do not know about.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenThere isn't a secret meaning and you can understand it. You simply haven't done your research. Like I said, you haven't looked at the culture and you've pulled it out of its context and you have excluded everything else that Paul says about woman in the church. I said absolutely nothing about divine inspiration when reading this and although I do believe that it helps, you do not need it in this case. Go do research. You are arguing and discriminating against the Bible out of ignorance. That is known as bigotry.
Oh God.... 😆Let me guess, this is another quote that I could never understand because I'm not Evangelical 🙄
This is like when Feceman said that Homosexuality is not a sin, but that God punished Sodom and Gomorrah because men dedicated thier gay sex to false gods.....yeah ok.....
The verse clearly says it is a shame for women to speak in the Church....
Please do not give me this bullshit about how this verse has a "secret meaning" that myself and other non-Christians do not know about.
Originally posted by Nellinator
There isn't a secret meaning and you can understand it. You simply haven't done your research. Like I said, you haven't looked at the culture and you've pulled it out of its context and you have excluded everything else that Paul says about woman in the church. I said absolutely nothing about divine inspiration when reading this and although I do believe that it helps, you do not need it in this case. Go do research. You are arguing and discriminating against the Bible out of ignorance. That is known as bigotry.
Oh please, i discriminate against the Bible no more than you discriminate against Homosexuals by labelling us immoral, unclean, and what not.....
And I wasn't aware that bigotry against Books existed....since when do the Bible and Quran have rights ? 😆
Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion is what bigotry is. The Bible counts as a religion.
Honestly though, please do a little research on this verse. I think it is better that you search on your own... I know that the answer will not be completely to your liking, but trust me, it is not nearly as bad as you make it out to be.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion is what bigotry is. The Bible counts as a religion.
I do not hate Christians.....you are sounding just like Alliance now. If I hated Christians, I would also hate my family and freinds.....which I don't.
I dislike a fkn book...that is not bigotry. Stop crying this senseless crap already please...it's getting annoying.
Besides....by your logic, I can easily call you a homophobe...that's bigotry as well. Please don't get me started.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Honestly though, please do a little research on this verse. I think it is better that you search on your own... I know that the answer will not be completely to your liking, but trust me, it is not nearly as bad as you make it out to be.
Since this is the thread asking the question, why don't you just answer the question instead of patronizing me ? It would save a lot of time.....
How bad am I making it out to be ?
Its clearly sexist....as of now, i dont care what the reason is. It's plain sexist, and that is bigotry in itself. I find it hilarious that you will call be a bigot for disapproving of evident bigotry 😆
But if you wish to enlighten me on the matter then do so. Do not just sit there and insist that I spend hours researching something that can be answered right here and now.