Originally posted by Bardock42
Haha, sounds likely.He passed an opportunity many people would love to get and put himself in danger fighting for his country in an aggressive war.
What is there to respect now?
Ok Mr.Realist . All I'm saying is he went and did what he thought was right instead on sitting on his hands and saying "Damn, that's ****ed up over there. I think I'll go stick my penis in some video vixen to pass the time away now." afro2
Originally posted by chithappens
Ok Mr.Realist . All I'm saying is he went and did what he thought was right instead on sitting on his hands and saying "Damn, that's ****ed up over there. I think I'll go stick my penis in some video vixen to pass the time away now." afro2
No doubt, he did that.
But is it equally to be respected if he had thought taking the NFL deal was right?
Basically you respect that someone puts themselves in danger? Why? No, really, why?
Originally posted by Bardock42
No doubt, he did that.But is it equally to be respected if he had thought taking the NFL deal was right?
Basically you respect that someone puts themselves in danger? Why? No, really, why?
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are missing the point even thought I continue to say it! Please re-read my previous post or have your parents read it and explain it to you. I mean I could see if you disagree with me, but you are totally missing my point.
Originally posted by chithappens
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are missing the point even thought I continue to say it! Please re-read my previous post or have your parents read it and explain it to you. I mean I could see if you disagree with me, but you are totally missing my point.
Are you some sort of crazy person?
I said that he did that, yes. The thing is we were discussing respect for that action.
Lets review:
Botankus: Kudos to Mr. Tillman, who passed up an NFL salary to serve.
Me: That is not really worthy of respect.
You: He did something he believed in.
Me Yes, but that is not really worthy of respect.
Originally posted by chithappens
What's a smart thing to you? Stop talking in generalizations. I can't read minds.
Hmm, I would say probably things that don't get you killed and increase your happiness as well as the happiness of the people around are pretty safe to be considered smart.
I would take a Utilitarian approach here and say the decision that creates the least suffering or produces the greatest happiness is the smartest.
It is of course generally hard to define, but so is everything, but by most standards taking a great salary and staying safe in your home country being able to provide for your family and life a long life is considered smarter than going to fight in an unjust, aggressive war and getting killed by friendly fire.
Originally posted by botankus
Sorry for taking a leave of absence from this thread, for I was busy contributing nothing to society, but at least I wasn't swallowing live grenades, so I guess I'm the (narcissistic) man! Hey, how did that (narcissistic) get in there? I'm subjectively invincible!!!!
At least you were busy doing something...unlike Pat Tillman...who is dead. And not alive. But dead.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I was neither being an ass, nor did I at any point not understand what you said.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
i think they are saying that he could have chose the easy way out and played football, but he felt a responsibility to his country, so he went to the army. this requires a certain amount of bravery.
He did what he thought was best.
That it is not what most reasonable people would consider best doesn't make him worthy of respect in my opinion.
He turned down a great chance and died fighting in an unnecessary war. Oh well, his choice, but why should anyone feel respect for that ridiculous decision?
Listen, there's no reason for everyone to get their knickers in a bind over this. The beauty of message boards is the subjective factor. Even the definition of "reasonable" is subjective.
Hell, I could say Ted Bundy was less idiotic and more respectable than Mahatma Gandhi and still put up a good fight because it is my opinion of what is right, and maybe I think being a serial killer is more respectable than being a peacemaker.
Originally posted by Bardock42
He did what he thought was best.That it is not what most reasonable people would consider best doesn't make him worthy of respect in my opinion.
He turned down a great chance and died fighting in an unnecessary war. Oh well, his choice, but why should anyone feel respect for that ridiculous decision?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
necessary or unnecessary war, he gave his life for his country. all the while he could have made millions for playing a game. yes, he knew he was putting himself in harms way when he didnt have to, thats what makes it such a brave decision. he believed in something, took a stand, and paid the ultimate price. yes, i think the war is bullshit, but i have the utmost respect for the soldiers fighting and dying over there.
...why?
Originally posted by botankusThat's the case with everything though.
Listen, there's no reason for everyone to get their knickers in a bind over this. The beauty of message boards is the subjective factor. Even the definition of "reasonable" is subjective.Hell, I could say Ted Bundy was less idiotic and more respectable than Mahatma Gandhi and still put up a good fight because it is my opinion of what is right, and maybe I think being a serial killer is more respectable than being a peacemaker.