Who wins in this fight?

Started by kamikz3 pages

No, I never said that sort of event would happen, all I said was that Maul could clearly make mistakes, and he has. (He also failed to deflect some blaster bolts perfectly, which disappointed him. This is a mistake, no matter how small. I'm just saying this so no one would come and scream "Maul cannot do mistakes cause SH said so". Not implying that you are...)

Anyway, it doesn't necessarily have to be mistakes either that Obi-Wan is looking for, more of an opening. Though an opening often comes when people do some small mistake, which could very well happen to anyone, no matter how good. We've put Obi by ROTS above Maul, so I'd put my money on Maul to make this first opening/mistake.

Originally posted by kamikz
No, I never said that sort of event would happen, all I said was that Maul could clearly make mistakes, and he has. (He also failed to deflect some blaster bolts perfectly, which disappointed him. This is a mistake, no matter how small. I'm just saying this so no one would come and scream "Maul cannot do mistakes cause SH said so". Not implying that you are...)

Anyway, it doesn't necessarily have to be mistakes either that Obi-Wan is looking for, more of an opening. Though an opening often comes when people do some small mistake, which could very well happen to anyone, no matter how good. We've put Obi by ROTS above Maul, so I'd put my money on Maul to make this first opening/mistake.

He was rushed when he didn't deflect the bolts, but that's not what I meant. I mean a mental mistake.

I would say that Obi would beat Maul, but give Maul any advantage at all, then Maul could beat him. The battle would last a hell of a long time. Maul wouldn't be able to pierce Obi Wan's defences, but Maul wouldn't leave himself open. Maul also has never shown any fatigue, while Obi Wan's form is all about keeping flashyness to a minimum and conserving energy. The battle would last a long time, but, eventually, I'd give Kenobi the win... just because.

Still a mistake. 😛

Yes, I'd put Maul as a very fierce combatent against Kenobi, but Obi will take it in the end. Really, because Maul hasn't show fautige doesn't mean he cannot get tired (not saying you said that), he probably will after a long battle such as this. If Kenobi can go through 10 minutes against a (dare I say much?) better swordsman than Maul, on a planet that has lava all around it (would be super hot) and all the emotional struggle, and still not be that tired, I would put his durability at least as equal, and seeing how his form is much less flashy and energy consuming, he would probably last longer.

Anyway, since we both give it to Obi-Wan we might just stop at that.

Sounds good.

Would you agree that Maul could take Asajj?

Hmm I think so, well, in swordsmanship maybe, probably not in the force.

One second thought, Assaj did pretty damn good things, she impressed Windu very much (someone said that she nearly killed him at one time, but I have not seen any proof for this), she took on many jedi at once easily, beat the likes of Kit Fisto and Obi-Wan pretty easily. Don't know if Maul could pull all of that, but probably.

Of course Maul could take down Asajj, he was a Sith Lord, Sidous wouldn't pick a weak apprentice, he had more years practicing the ligtsaber and is physically stronger and wont get tired as quickly.

Asajj is no slouch, but Maul is basically a small step above her in every category.

OK i agree, because Asajj did kill allot of Jedi.

Maul=Sith, Asajj=no Sith

Uhhm, we know this, but thanks to informing us again.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
Maul isn't Yoda, but i don't think he is weak in the Force, give the guy some credit.

Yeah, I just said he's not VERY powerful in the Force, i never saud he was weak.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Asajj is no slouch, but Maul is basically a small step above her in every category.

I'm pretty sure Asajj is faster. In DR, it says something like 'only once in a generation was one born with speed and fury like that of Asajj Ventress,' and in virtually any comic she appears in, as well as the CW cartoons, she's insanely quick.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Asajj is no slouch, but Maul is basically a small step above her in every category.

Assaj was compared to Anakin in some cases (Of course she is not close to his potential, but she evolves freakin fast, and she is way better than most, and she was very, very strong), and she is incredibly skilled in both saber and the force. I haven't seen Maul do anything to put him over Assaj in the force.

Assaj could lift tons of things and toss them, she could make a whole roof burst, she could immobilize Kenobi with the force and hold him up in the air, and she could wipe out clones easily with it without even watching them. She could also learn an opponents fighting style and use it against them easily. I think Maul's style would actually be pretty obvious that it focuses around agility and martial moves....

If you still would say that doesn't put her force over Maul's, then she is still using it way better than Maul is. Basically, she is using every oppertunity she can to use the force in battle, whereas Maul doesn't....

I think people are overpowering Asajj, she is good, allot better then an ordinary Jedi, but she is nowhere near Anakin from ROTS.

Please make an argument, for she was able to stand up to him some months before, really good as well.

Originally posted by kamikz
Assaj was compared to Anakin in some cases (Of course she is not close to his potential, but she evolves freakin fast, and she is way better than most, and she was very, very strong), and she is incredibly skilled in both saber and the force. I haven't seen Maul do anything to put him over Assaj in the force.

Maul "mastered the lightsaber" along with martial arts. If Anakin had been around a dozen years earlier, I bet maul could have been compared to him too.

Assaj could lift tons of things and toss them, she could make a whole roof burst, she could immobilize Kenobi with the force and hold him up in the air, and she could wipe out clones easily with it without even watching them. She could also learn an opponents fighting style and use it against them easily. I think Maul's style would actually be pretty obvious that it focuses around agility and martial moves....

You're right. We've definitely seen more of Asajj's force powers than Maul's. However, it's not hard to pick clones off one by one, and she held Kenobi when he was beaten, bloodied, poisoned, and has his skull stomped on by Durge (yes, literally), if I remember correctly.

If you still would say that doesn't put her force over Maul's, then she is still using it way better than Maul is. Basically, she is using every oppertunity she can to use the force in battle, whereas Maul doesn't....
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Maul likes to keep it saber-oriented. However, Maul did have "Far superior dark side knowledge" than a lightning-blasting Nightsister.

Originally posted by allfg
I'm pretty sure Asajj is faster. In DR, it says something like 'only once in a generation was one born with speed and fury like that of Asajj Ventress,' and in virtually any comic she appears in, as well as the CW cartoons, she's insanely quick.

Have you read the Maul comic?

From Shoadw Hunter:

He might be able to dodge a single blast, maybe even two, but hemmed in as he was in this small cubicle against a woman who could likely put a dozen bolts into the air from two semiautomatic blasters in half a second, he would have to have a distraction. Near his feet lay the Trandoshan's blaster. It would serve nicely. Using his control of the Force, Darth Maul gripped the weapon in a dark tentacle of energy and hurled it at the bounty hunter's face, hard. The woman was fast. She dodged the blaster, firing a bolt at it. She missed and recovered, but the distraction had served its purpose. Before the weapon had bounced off the wall and landed on the floor, Maul had the lightsaber in his grasp. He thumbed on both blades as the next blaster bolt and half a dozen more came his way in rapid succession. The Sith apprentice's hands were a blur as he let the dark side take him over completely, giving in to its power and allowing it to control and manipulate him. Blaster bolts struck the lightsaber's spinning blades and were deflected into the walls, the ceiling, the floor. No time to aim, though a bolt or two did hit the bounty hunter without apparent effect. Her armor was apparently state-of-the-art. The bounty hunter dropped her useless blasters and reached for one wrist, where she wore a rocket launcher. The fool! Maul thought grimly. If a rocket exploded in here, it would kill them both! There was no time to try to stop her. Maul slipped along the lines of the Force, moving at unnatural speed as he spun toward the nearest wall, a cheap plastic panel, twirling the lightsaber in a cutting pattern. The plastic shredded easily before the blades' superhot plasmatic edges, and Maul ran through the wall, leapt over a chair in the next room-which, fortunately for its tenants, was deserted at the moment-and stabbed downward with one blade of his lightsaber, shearing a ragged oval in the floor. He dropped through the ceiling of the cubicle below just as the rocket struck the wall of the Neimoidian's room and exploded. Lihnn had never seen anybody move like the man with the horned and tattooed head. He wasn't dressed like a Jedi, but his expertise with the double-bladed lightsaber far exceeded the skill of any Jedi Lihnn had ever heard of. He knocked blaster bolts away as if swatting flies! And if he could do that, Lihnn couldn't stop him. He would use that double- bladed lightsaber to slice her apart. Desperate, she reached for her wrist launcher. Her only chance was to hit the horned one squarely and hope that the explosion would be contained enough by the other's body to allow Lihnn to survive. But as she triggered the launcher the tattooed man seemed to disappear in a blur. All of a sudden there was a hole in the wall where an instant ago it had been solid. Too late, Lihnn tried to stop the rocket from firing, but the reactionless motor flared and the missile leapt from her wrist. She tried to jump back into the hallway.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Maul "mastered the lightsaber" along with martial arts. If Anakin had been around a dozen years earlier, I bet maul could have been compared to him too.

You're right. We've definitely seen more of Asajj's force powers than Maul's. However, it's not hard to pick clones off one by one, and she held Kenobi when he was beaten, bloodied, poisoned, and has his skull stomped on by Durge (yes, literally), if I remember correctly.

Maul likes to keep it saber-oriented. However, Maul did have "Far superior dark side knowledge" than a lightning-blasting Nightsister. [/QUOTE]

Maybe, maybe not.

Maul's greatest feat is being better than Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon at the same time, and Assaj's is being very close to Anakin some months before ROTS, and pwning Kit Fisto and Obi-Wan. I don't know, they seem kinda equally impressive, but Anakin I would put above Maul for sure, but maybe with the same difficult as he faced Assaj with. Well, it kinda depends on how much he evolved after that time, since he was able to beat Dooku at ROTS, it is debatable if he grew enormousley, or if he didn't. (Which would only talk for Assaj)

In the force, Assaj has proven to be better, until anyone proves otherwise. She has done way more, and her usage of it is better and much more oftenly used than Maul's.

And Dark side knowledge doesn't necessarily equal Dark side force powers, just knowledge.....

I still think that Maul is better than Asajj...

Of course he is.