Originally posted by KaldoreiI actually made a thread to see just how powerful the Flashernaut is and the general idea was he was very powerful.
[b]I have no idea. I found it hilarious 😛 I actualy could picture me the merge and the actual result and the result in combat 😱World domination at hand 😛
[/B]
Originally posted by Soljer
You've negated nothing. The flash can still freeze them in place. He can still beat them both before they can react.He could even speed force dump them, if you really want to go there.
I also don't see how either kryptonian will be ripping his head off when it's...you know, intangible.
Anyways. As far as your question about "what does that mean?" in reference to the white dwarf comment...
Let's find out. Due to relativistic effects, the flash's mass will be around that of a white dwarf star. The typical white dwarf star is about 1E29 kg. The Flash can travel at speeds exceeding c.
That means he'll be delivering a kinetic energy of around one half times 1E29 times 3E8. 1.5 E 37 Joules. A GIGATON (not a mega ton, mind you) gives off only about 4E18 joules. That is a SHIT LOAD of orders of magnitude difference.
That's per hit. Considering that the Flash could easily hit him a thousand times before he reacts.....😕 .
Yeah. That won't affect Superman in the least 🙄.
Puahahaha... Listen to this. Can you believe this guy?... How the heck can the Flash’s mass become the same as a white dwarf (which coincidentally varies in size). Force = speed x mass. The Flash would be using his speed to compensate for mass he doesn’t have. He can’t just grow mass because he’s moving faster. 1st Law of Thermodynamics - matter cannot be created.
Your white dwarf explanation is sketchy at best and it still doesn’t prove this force will have any effect on Superman. However, here’s another thing to consider.
Kinetic energy is based on mass times velocity and distance. This is most effective when traveling in a straight line. To generate the maximum amount of kinetic force, the Flash would need to be moving his entire body in the most straightforward motion at Superman. In a fight, this is hardly possible. Superman would be moving every which way and the Flash would have to resort to just swinging his arms wildly, which by themselves would not generate sufficient kinetic force. Try this yourself. Face a punching bag. From a good distance, use a running start and punch it. Next, stand right next to it and throw some punches. You’ll notice there’s a great difference between the former and latter - the former being more formidable.
Originally posted by Validus
Team 2 would lose 10/10 in an actual comic.
My thoughts exactly.
...You're retarded.
1. Force is not speed times mass. It's ACCELERATION times mass.
2. Mass can grow. Look up the difference between invariant mass and relativistic mass.
3. Kinetic energy is not based on distance. It's mass and velocity. Distance is irrelevant.
4. We don't debate what would happen in comics here, otherwise Supergirl would get bat-kicked out of this fight the same way Captain Marvel did. We debate via logic - something you seem to lack.
Originally posted by Soljer
...You're retarded.1. Force is not speed times mass. It's ACCELERATION times mass.
2. Mass can grow. Look up the difference between invariant mass and relativistic mass.
3. Kinetic energy is not based on distance. It's mass and velocity. Distance is irrelevant.
4. We don't debate what would happen in comics here, otherwise Supergirl would get bat-kicked out of this fight the same way Captain Marvel did. We debate via logic - something you seem to lack.
Name calling already... Poor guy, I know your head hurts from thinking too hard.
1. Acceleration depends on speed and velocity. I was using the most basic idea, but I'm sure you knew that...
2. Since you want to get technical, neither mass , invariant mass nor relativistic mass are the same. Relativistic mass and invariant mass explains the effects of speed on mass. However, you still haven't proven that the Flash's relativistic mass became equal to that of a white dwarf. More likely, the answer is his speed.
3. In a vacuum kinetic energy isn't based on distance. But try my exercise in the real world and there you have it. I'd rather get a running start to hit someone anyday, over just swinging at them close-up.
4. Yeah, only the Batkick on Captain Marvel was inconclusive. They didn't show us what happened. Needless to say, I'll agree with you here. Comic logic is inconsistent at best... But then, so is yours.
1. Acceleration has nothing to do with velocity. Come on, this is grade 6 stuff.
2. Relativistic mass approaches infinity as a body approaches the speed of light. Flash travels at many times the speed of light, there is no reason to assume that his mass couldn't approach that of a white dwarf star, or even GREATLY supercede it.
3. Kinetic energy. Not based on distance. Velocity. Mass. Not distance. *scratches head* I don't know how much simpler this could be.
4. My logic is inconsistent? I'm not the one arguing that kinetic energy somehow involves distance and acceleration is dependent upon speed....😕.
QUOTE=8659077]Originally posted by Soljer
1. Acceleration has nothing to do with velocity. Come on, this is grade 6 stuff.
2. Relativistic mass approaches infinity as a body approaches the speed of light. Flash travels at many times the speed of light, there is no reason to assume that his mass couldn't approach that of a white dwarf star, or even GREATLY supercede it.
3. Kinetic energy. Not based on distance. Velocity. Mass. Not distance. *scratches head* I don't know how much simpler this could be.
4. My logic is inconsistent? I'm not the one arguing that kinetic energy somehow involves distance and acceleration is dependent upon speed....😕. [/QUOTE]
1. Read for yourself Einstein. “In physics or physical science, acceleration (symbol: a) is defined as the rate of change (or derivative with respect to time) of velocity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acceleration
2. Inconclusive. Speculation at best. For all it’s worth, even my theory is speculation, so I won’t go there. The real point is the impact it would have on Superman, which is open to debate depending on the type of of impact (i.e. direct, indirect, partial, etc...).
3. That’s because your understanding of physics is limited to reading, but not understanding the principles. If you’re trying to argue that the Flash was creating a force equal to a white dwarf, he would have to be moving from point A to B (whether with his arms or entire body). You would need to calculate the kinematics of an object that changes speed from a rest point to acceleration. This means calculating the total distance of displacement. Only in a vacuum is Kinetic energy not dependent on distance.
4. Read my points above. And, BTW for something to accelerate it needs to increase velocity - layman term for speed
Originally posted by GoBotsLive
Puahahaha... Listen to this. Can you believe this guy?... How the heck can the Flash’s mass become the same as a white dwarf (which coincidentally varies in size). Force = speed x mass. The Flash would be using his speed to compensate for mass he doesn’t have. He can’t just grow mass because he’s moving faster. 1st Law of Thermodynamics - matter cannot be created.Your white dwarf explanation is sketchy at best and it still doesn’t prove this force will have any effect on Superman. However, here’s another thing to consider.
Kinetic energy is based on mass times velocity and distance. This is most effective when traveling in a straight line. To generate the maximum amount of kinetic force, the Flash would need to be moving his entire body in the most straightforward motion at Superman. In a fight, this is hardly possible. Superman would be moving every which way and the Flash would have to resort to just swinging his arms wildly, which by themselves would not generate sufficient kinetic force. Try this yourself. Face a punching bag. From a good distance, use a running start and punch it. Next, stand right next to it and throw some punches. You’ll notice there’s a great difference between the former and latter - the former being more formidable.
My thoughts exactly.
Oh my gosh your retarded. Lets put it like this. Wonderwoman has fought almost anybody including superman. She fought zoom, (someone who is close to flash speed) when zoom punched wonderwoman (remember she fought about every powerhouse in dc) she said that that was the hardest punch she felt her entire life (even though she was punched by superman before. Theres your answer, flash punches waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay harder than superman.
Originally posted by carver9
Oh my gosh your retarded. Lets put it like this. Wonderwoman has fought almost anybody including superman. She fought zoom, (someone who is close to flash speed) when zoom punched wonderwoman (remember she fought about every powerhouse in dc) she said that that was the hardest punch she felt her entire life (even though she was punched by superman before. Theres your answer, flash punches waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay harder than superman.
Originally posted by carver9
Oh my gosh your retarded. Lets put it like this. Wonderwoman has fought almost anybody including superman. She fought zoom, (someone who is close to flash speed) when zoom punched wonderwoman (remember she fought about every powerhouse in dc) she said that that was the hardest punch she felt her entire life (even though she was punched by superman before. Theres your answer, flash punches waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay harder than superman.
Zoom does not use the Speed Force, his speed works differently, and he definetly hits harder, even so he was punched by Superman during IC.