What goes around, comes around.

Interesting topic. Brings to my mind the age old expression - "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."

I always thought that phrase was kind of silly and illogical. I think if someone is really trying to do good with the most loving intentions within their heart, despite whatever failed or misguided efforts they make, the ultimate outcome for that person would not be an evil one.

Still - I don't think that all evil and good actions are completely returned back to those who practice them. I think many of these things are probably forgotten, or perhaps not really considered all that consequential in the grand scheme of things.

So yeah, I think consistently good and evil intent ultimately bring about good and evil outcomes to those who practice them. Sometimes it might not bring these things to the person(s) with the good/evil intents right away though.

Originally posted by Thundar
Interesting topic. Brings to my mind the age old expression - "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."

I always thought that phrase was kind of silly and illogical. I think if someone is really trying to do good with the most loving intentions within their heart, despite whatever failed or misguided efforts they make, the ultimate outcome for that person would not be an evil one.

Still - I don't think that all evil and good actions are completely returned back to those who practice them. I think many of these things are probably forgotten, or perhaps not really considered all that consequential in the grand scheme of things.

So yeah, I think consistently good and evil intent ultimately bring about good and evil outcomes to those who practice them. Sometimes it might not bring these things to the person(s) with the good/evil intents right away though.

That explains why you seem to have so many problems with other people on this forum. You don't see the connection between what you do, and how other people respond.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That explains why you seem to have so many problems with other people on this forum. You don't see the connection between what you do, and how other people respond.

What you say has some merit to it. Ultimately though, we all need to take responsability for the way in which we present and respond to things.

Some things are very profound and polarizing when presented, so they tend to bring forth very emotive reactions to those who they are presented to.

Originally posted by Thundar
What you say has some merit to it. Ultimately though, we all need to take responsability for the way in which we present and respond to things.

Some things are very profound and polarizing when presented, so they tend to bring forth very emotive reactions to those who they are presented to.

I agree, and I'm not blaming you for what others are responsible for. However, if you put your hand in the fire, you will get burned. There is no use of getting angry at the fire. 😄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I agree, and I'm not blaming you for what others are responsible for. However, if you put your hand in the fire, you will get burned. There is no use of getting angry at the fire. 😄

Sure there is. If the fire's about consume something or someone than I could get very upset at the fire, or specifically at the person who started it -- especially if the fire is about to consume a friend or loved one.

Relating this back to the topic -- do I expect a reward from helping the person from the fire? Possibly, if you consider saving a life from the fire a reward - or getting to be with that person you saved from the fire. Perhaps the better reward though, would be having the person that I saved go out and help others who were caught in similar situations.

Anyway, this is definitely a difficult subject to discuss. In the end, I truly believe all things eventually lead towards an ultimate good. Perhaps this alone should be the primary motivation one has when doing things in life, whether they themselves experience good or bad things that come about from their actions.

Originally posted by Thundar
Sure there is. If the fire's about consume something or someone than I could get very upset at the fire, or specifically at the person who started it -- especially if the fire is about to consume a friend or loved one.

Relating this back to the topic -- do I expect a reward from helping the person from the fire? Possibly, if you consider saving a life from the fire a reward - or getting to be with that person you saved from the fire. Perhaps the better reward though, would be having the person that I saved go out and help others who were caught in similar situations.

Anyway, this is definitely a difficult subject to discuss. In the end, I truly believe all things eventually lead towards an ultimate good. Perhaps this alone should be the primary motivation one has when doing things in life, whether they themselves experience good or bad things that come about from their actions.

All you will get for that point of view is suffering in this life.

Originally posted by Alfheim
If this was the case then childern wouldnt be killed or harmed. The fact of the matter is that bad things happen to goog people as well. Of course I think it helps to be honest rather than decietful because if you go around cheating and stealing you tend to piss people off.

I think its true to an extent.

Originally posted by Thundar

Relating this back to the topic -- do I expect a reward from helping the person from the fire? Possibly, if you consider saving a life from the fire a reward - or getting to be with that person you saved from the fire. Perhaps the better reward though, would be having the person that I saved go out and help others who were caught in similar situations.

The reason this is also a DANGEROUS concept is because of people like you who just say x will bring x. Good does not always bring "good."

From what you are saying, every time you do something "good" you will expect to be rewarded. Not only does it start a precedent for illogical reasoning, but that will make everything you do a selfish act in some way - there's no getting around that.

If you want to just do good things because you feel that's respectable, gets you to heaven, whatever, then do it. But do not do it because you think you will be rewarded. That is a dangerous precedent to set forth.

Originally posted by Thundar
Sure there is. If the fire's about consume something or someone than I could get very upset at the fire, or specifically at the person who started it -- especially if the fire is about to consume a friend or loved one.

Do you often get upset with non-sentient objects ?

Originally posted by Thundar
Relating this back to the topic -- do I expect a reward from helping the person from the fire? Possibly, if you consider saving a life from the fire a reward - or getting to be with that person you saved from the fire. Perhaps the better reward though, would be having the person that I saved go out and help others who were caught in similar situations.

What if the person is not thankful for your risk ? What if he or she goes back to being who they are with no particular insight after your brave decision to save him or her ? what if that person does not reward you in any way what-so-ever ?

Would you regret saving them? Does it invalidate your action?

You should not do things expecting to be rewarded. You should do things because you know or beleive it's the right thing to do. You saved someone from a horrible tormenting death. That should alone be the motivation and all you require from your deed.

Originally posted by Thundar
Anyway, this is definitely a difficult subject to discuss. In the end, I truly believe all things eventually lead towards an ultimate good. Perhaps this alone should be the primary motivation one has when doing things in life, whether they themselves experience good or bad things that come about from their actions.

Your above quote can be intepretted in a million different ways by people from all sides of the spectrum of beleif.

Keep in mind that every1 defines "the ultamate good" in different and contradicting ways.

Originally posted by Thundar
Interesting topic. Brings to my mind the age old expression - "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."

I always thought that phrase was kind of silly and illogical. I think if someone is really trying to do good with the most loving intentions within their heart, despite whatever failed or misguided efforts they make, the ultimate outcome for that person would not be an evil one.

"Good" here does not mean good (I hate this damn word.) The way it is written can be seen many different ways. For example, it could mean that "good intentions" implies that the person is doing good for themselves or some sense of justice. Hitler going to Hell? More than likely, but he was doing what he thought was "right" to help his people. Extreme case but easily applies. "Good" intention, "evil" acts.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Do you often get upset with non-sentient objects ?

😆 I tend to agree with you most of the time. By the way, why did you change your name? I like Urizen, the all-powerful consumer of souls

Originally posted by chithappens
"Good" here does not mean good (I hate this damn word.) The way it is written can be seen many different ways. For example, it could mean that "good intentions" implies that the person is doing good for themselves or some sense of justice. Hitler going to Hell? More than likely, but he was doing what he thought was "right" to help his people. Extreme case but easily applies. "Good" intention, "evil" acts.

That is true; good is a relative term. What is good for me may not be good for you. A better word would be Karmic choice.

Originally posted by chithappens
😆 I tend to agree with you most of the time.

😄

Originally posted by chithappens
By the way, why did you change your name? I like Urizen, the all-powerful consumer of souls

So do I, but I've had a real Kali fetish lately duster

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

So do I, but I've had a real Kali fetish lately duster

I would ask but I'm not sure I wanna know.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is true; good is a relative term. What is good for me may not be good for you. A better word would be Karmic choice.

I agree but you know some people would misuse it. Better to leave it to the few who understand the concept 🤣

Originally posted by chithappens
I would ask but I'm not sure I wanna know.

4 ARMS dd

I know the feeling. If I ever met a woman with three breasts........artist

Originally posted by chithappens
The reason this is also a DANGEROUS concept is because of people like you who just say x will bring x. Good does not always bring "good."

From what you are saying, every time you do something "good" you will expect to be rewarded. Not only does it start a precedent for illogical reasoning, but that will make everything you do a selfish act in some way - there's no getting around that.

If you want to just do good things because you feel that's respectable, gets you to heaven, whatever, then do it. But do not do it because you think you will be rewarded. That is a dangerous precedent to set forth.

You're correct. I worded it poorly. I guess what I meant was better expressed in the last line of the post...

"In the end, I truly believe all things eventually lead towards an ultimate good."

So despite whether or not those perceived "good" or "bad" things happen to myself or others -- in the end, my sincere hope that everything will be working towards this good purpose -- and not an evil one. Now if I found out the good things that I did were not working for good, then I'd be very upset...

Now can I get an amen, praise the lord or Hallelujah?😉

Originally posted by Thundar
You're correct. I worded it poorly. I guess what I meant was better expressed in the last line of the post...

"In the end, I truly believe all things eventually lead towards an ultimate good."

So despite whether or not those perceived "good" or "bad" things happen to myself or others -- in the end, my sincere hope that everything will be working towards this good purpose -- and not an evil one. Now if I found out the good things that I did were not working for good, then I'd be very upset...

Now can I get an amen, praise the lord or Hallelujah?😉

Personally I just get up at the end. Not sure what to adhere to at the moment. 😆

I want to believe what you said also. Faith in some omniscient being working it out for all of us so long as we do as he says seems so tyrannical. I don't trust it: the words of men have deceived on a historical and personal basis. History is "his story."

As Nas said "Never talking among snakes cause the words of men kill."

Or in this case deceive i.e. Paradise Lost. I hate how John Milton writes but it is a good read once you take you time with it.

Originally posted by Thundar
You're correct. I worded it poorly. I guess what I meant was better expressed in the last line of the post...

"In the end, I truly believe all things eventually lead towards an ultimate good."

So despite whether or not those perceived "good" or "bad" things happen to myself or others -- in the end, my sincere hope that everything will be working towards this good purpose -- and not an evil one. Now if I found out the good things that I did were not working for good, then I'd be very upset...

Now can I get an amen, praise the lord or Hallelujah?😉

i hope you find your Heaven...it seems to mean a lot to you....

Just now you're Heaven is not the Heaven that myself or many others desire. We will find our own paths, and our own way.