Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlI figured you were saying something to that degree, I just wanted some clarification. 🙂
DS helped Superman win the fight. DS Hurt Himself severely WIth his own attack when WW deflected it back on him. BEfore that, DS was pwning superman quite easily and talking while doing it. As usual.
But I also want to add, that getting beaten by an enraged/sun-dipped Superman, isn't exactly a "low showing" for DS.
Originally posted by Galan007
I figured you were saying something to that degree, I just wanted some clarification. 🙂But I also want to add, that getting beaten by an enraged/sun-dipped Superman, isn't exactly a "low showing" for DS.
Yeah, True sun dips do make superman Uber. But really, DS did most of the work on himself. IF you remember, DS was winning the fight until he got hit with his own OE.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlRemember though, Loeb made the OE ridiculously weak during that arch, (i.e. it couldn't even pierce WW's bracelets).
Yeah, True sun dips do make superman Uber. But really, DS did most of the work on himself. IF you remember, DS was winning the fight until he got hit with his own OE.
So I doubt it really would have harmed/weakened DS that much.
But even if he was weakened, we can't say for sure to what extent his power dropped.
Because after the OE was deflected back on him, DS then had to face a pissed off + Sun-dipped Superman, whom as we both agree, is a VERY uber character.
we are talking about the same braclet that deflected blasts from zeus,hades, and neptune when they used wonderwoman braclet shield to deflect thier blast to destroy old olympus so zeus can create new olympus
Master order and lord chaos only worked together when a cosmic inbalance occur in the universe just like in DOV when both the lords or order and chaos lend thier powers to CM when he was fighting the spectre but naturally order and chaos don't work together at all
Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't know just how powerful the Lords of Chaos and Order are in DC, but Master Order and Lord Chaos of Marvel rank just under Eternity and Infinity in power if that helps clarify things for anyone.
I'm not sure if Mordru was responsible for the creation of the Multiverse. Maybe Operator or beatbok's can clarify this. I know the evil ones with the floating head and sharp teeth were.
Originally posted by Zack M
I'm not sure if Mordru was responsible for the creation of the Multiverse. Maybe Operator or beatbok's can clarify this. I know the evil ones with the floating head and sharp teeth were.
Mordru wasn't even a lord of chaos by the time that showing happened. That creation story involving lords of chaos/order was isolated to Fate's title though, as it was never mentioned anywhere else but reconfirmed several issues in the same series which also showed that the lords are well above pantheon gods and able to warp reality at will.
On the other hand, when he was established to be a lord of chaos, Mordru did beat Nabu (who was stated to be the most powerful lord of order) while weakened. Nabu alone was implied to be able to re-create the devastation that happened in Zero Hour; also Dr Stoner possessing a part of Nabu's power was able to beat the phantom stranger. And he has created an entire universe, the one in his helmet which was stated to be dissociated from all the other realities, was created by him.
Originally posted by Cogitohttp://i.imgur.com/Y0KeA8p.jpg
Scan or issue #?
...Not that I really believe his boast. Nabu was an egotistical f*ck in that series.
And the Spectre part sounds impressive until you realize that Spectre was depowered to essentially a ghosty-mystic-detective from Crisis till Vol 3, a few years after invasion.
We saw what happened to them later down the line, even against a hostless wrath. [and also in the ancient past we saw in later issues, when Nabu tried to challenge Spectre a few different times in history.]
But they likely win here.
Originally posted by Galan007
http://i.imgur.com/Y0KeA8p.jpg...Not that I really believe his boast. Nabu was an egotistical f*ck in that series.
His statement was confirmed by the lords of chaos/order in that same scan.
Originally posted by Juntai
And the Spectre part sounds impressive until you realize that Spectre was depowered to essentially a ghosty-mystic-detective from Crisis till Vol 3, a few years after invasion.We saw what happened to them later down the line, even against a hostless wrath. [and also in the ancient past we saw in later issues, when Nabu tried to challenge Spectre a few different times in history.]
But they likely win here.
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This sums up things pretty nicely in regards to the Spectre/Lords debate:
Also, entire DoV is proof of that anyway.
Originally posted by Zack M
I think you would only need Nabu and Mordru for this. Who are the other Lords of Chaos? The floating head ones?
That's what they were portrayed as at times in terms of physical appearance, but there have been individual (named) lords of chaos several times if that's what you're looking for. More on point, they are energy beings, neither side of the lords of order/chaos are good or evil, they are forces of life (that's what they were actually called in the early pre-Crisis stories, lords of life) that maintain the cosmic balance.
