I watched Episode 1 again recently...

Originally posted by queeq
There's quite a bit about about story and structure that doesn't work. Redundant storylines, storylines that lead nowhere. Major plotholes despite the fact that the PT had to fill up a few mysteries. Also the acting is debatable.

For instance, you can debate if you LIKE JarJar or not...'but that's a matter of taste. What his point isn in the story is quite questionable. He doesn't serve any real purpose after the Bongo ride.

You can either like or not like the Syfo Dyas plotline... the fact that a guy is introduced that initiates like the MAJOR development of the PT (i.e. making a clone army) and we never learn anything about him, is faulty.

You can like or dislike AOTC, you can argue however that the only plotlines that really drive the story forward are the love story between Anakin and Padme and the building of a clone army. One doesn't need 2,5 hours to tell that. Plus the love story between Anakin and Padme is highly unbelievable: a former queen falling in love with a sulky, whiny and somewhat obtrusive brat that slaughters Tuskens for fun? Come on...

That list goes on BTW.

Jar Jar really impacted the story in the prequels because he is the one who gave Chancellor Palpatine emergency powers in AOTC. It is sort of funny, if Jar Jar never existed, the Empire may have never started, which gives fans an even larger reason to hate him.

I agree with what you said about Syfo Dyas...the way he was talked about made it seem like it was Qui-Gon when Obi-Wan said his old master, and killed 10 years ago. Perhaps the story would have been better off if it was Qui-Gon in the first place.

Anakin is just around 20 years old, he has had quite a lot of issues, it is no surprise he acts the way he does. He is still a pleasant person, as well as a Jedi so I don't see why he couldn't get with a former queen, love is love. I don't think he killed the Tusken raiders for fun, he was in a rage after they pretty much killed his mother. Wouldn't you do the same if you could after a loved one dies at the hands of savages you could easily destroy?

or to love him. without the empire, what would the OT be???

Anyway, dont debate over opinion. you like a movie or you don't. nobodies going to make you hate something you like or like something you hate.

Originally posted by sweersa
Anakin is just around 20 years old, he has had quite a lot of issues, it is no surprise he acts the way he does. He is still a pleasant person, as well as a Jedi so I don't see why he couldn't get with a former queen, love is love. I don't think he killed the Tusken raiders for fun, he was in a rage after they pretty much killed his mother. Wouldn't you do the same if you could after a loved one dies at the hands of savages you could easily destroy?

As a viewer I have to kinda understand/feel why a bright person like Padme falls for the whiny brat. All we see in AOTC are his bad traits... what's the positive trait? That he was cute as a kid and gave Padme a jappor snippet? She's not e pedophile I hope... because that would even make it worse.

The love story between Anakin and Padme is crucial for the saga. But I think we fairly argue that it was poorly done. The few minutes of romance in ESB is by far more romantic than all of ESB and ROTS together.

Originally posted by queeq
As a viewer I have to kinda understand/feel why a bright person like Padme falls for the whiny brat. All we see in AOTC are his bad traits... what's the positive trait? That he was cute as a kid and gave Padme a jappor snippet? She's not e pedophile I hope... because that would even make it worse.

The love story between Anakin and Padme is crucial for the saga. But I think we fairly argue that it was poorly done. The few minutes of romance in ESB is by far more romantic than all of ESB and ROTS together.

I agree that some of it was corny but I didn't think it was terrible. They liked each other, people don't always have to have something extravagant about themselves to attract another, love works in funny ways, especially in movie scripts. Hahaha.

The scene towards the beginning of ROTS was bad IMO, when Anakin said something like: "No, because I am so in love with you." Not only did Padme look terrible for whatever reason but the lines make me cringe every time.

It is possible that Anakin possible reminded Padme of a more stable pleasant era before systems started breaking off, we will never know for sure. They seem to get along bouncing around on the Shaak things and that eventually lead to something else.

A five year difference isn't so bad really between a couple, even 10 is acceptable depending on the age of the younger.

Originally posted by sweersa
I agree that some of it was corny but I didn't think it was terrible. They liked each other, people don't always have to have something extravagant about themselves to attract another, love works in funny ways, especially in movie scripts. Hahaha.

THe audience has to get why the love works. Frankly I have NO idea why. I did get it between Han and Leia...

i dont understand why padme loves anakin at the end of episode III lets face it, "i killed them, i killed them all, and not just the men, but the women, and the children." Isn't really the kind of line you would hear from the nice guy you would want to settle down with... im supposing, if thats true, in order to find a hot girl to mary, i gotta start killing off whole villages?

😂

Exactly my point though... it usually is the turning point to say: OMG, this guy is a total freak. And then he starts stalking and going beserk.... Well, Anakin did the latter... 😉

Originally posted by queeq
😂

Exactly my point though... it usually is the turning point to say: OMG, this guy is a total freak. And then he starts stalking and going beserk.... Well, Anakin did the latter... 😉

Sometimes a girl likes nothing more than to try to fix a broken man.

I find it funny that Padme freaked out when Kenobi told her Anakin killed younglings, but when she found out Anakin killed sand people, she didn't seem to care much. Why? RACIST. lol

I would have to say Padme felt for Anakin because he lost his mother in his own arms, also, the fact being the Tuskens are total jerks doesn't help in her feeling for them...

NO! Kotor proves that sandpeople are just misunderstood and pursecuited.

in kotor II atton rambled on about all of the women who were trying to "rescue" the exile, that is, if you play a male.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
NO! Kotor proves that sandpeople are just misunderstood and pursecuited.

in kotor II atton rambled on about all of the women who were trying to "rescue" the exile, that is, if you play a male.

That is EU...

In the movies we see them attack Luke, and they take Shmi and eventually pretty much kill her.

:/ oh well. it was sarcasm anyway.

Originally posted by sweersa
Sometimes a girl likes nothing more than to try to fix a broken man.

I find it funny that Padme freaked out when Kenobi told her Anakin killed younglings, but when she found out Anakin killed sand people, she didn't seem to care much. Why? RACIST. lol

I would have to say Padme felt for Anakin because he lost his mother in his own arms, also, the fact being the Tuskens are total jerks doesn't help in her feeling for them...

You're just pointing out more plot holes.

And don't forget Padme's not FROM Tatooine... She prolly never saw one. So all she hears is her future boy friend, the great Jedi, slaughter other sentient creatures 'like animals, because they are animals.' Frankly, that a girl's cue to leave.

hehe awesome! i wish i had a girl that would love me after i killed a whole village.... I'm prone to do that, y'know.

Me too!

Originally posted by queeq
You're just pointing out more plot holes.

And don't forget Padme's not FROM Tatooine... She prolly never saw one. So all she hears is her future boy friend, the great Jedi, slaughter other sentient creatures 'like animals, because they are animals.' Frankly, that a girl's cue to leave.

Don't forget Cliegg lars spoke of the sand people to Anakin and Padme, about what they did to Shmi, how they walk like men but are animals, etc.

If I wasn't familiar with a type of species and if they kidnapped the mom of someone I was close to etc. And if some local says some bad things about that species, I would take these more-than-hints and assume they were not a gentle race for the most part.

Don't you love how in the orignal star trek they always run into these "superiorly evolved races" that say they must destroy the enterprise and kill everyone on board because they are a primitive and violent race?

Hello, that primitive and violent in itself....

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Don't you love how in the orignal star trek they always run into these "superiorly evolved races" that say they must destroy the enterprise and kill everyone on board because they are a primitive and violent race?

Hello, that primitive and violent in itself....

Umm...not sure what your point is.

The Tuskens captured poor Shmi and tortured her to her death. They shouldn't be suprised her jedi-in-traning son gets pissed and uses his powers to wack them all.

The jerks had it coming.

Originally posted by sweersa
Umm...not sure what your point is.

The Tuskens captured poor Shmi and tortured her to her death. They shouldn't be suprised her jedi-in-traning son gets pissed and uses his powers to wack them all.

The jerks had it coming.

no point, just total random geekyness. do i have to have a point?

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
no point, just total random geekyness. do i have to have a point?

It helps, yes.

Originally posted by sweersa
Umm...not sure what your point is.

The Tuskens captured poor Shmi and tortured her to her death. They shouldn't be suprised her jedi-in-traning son gets pissed and uses his powers to wack them all.

The jerks had it coming.

They did. But I doubt the character of Padme would feel this way.