I don't hate Reigns. Honestly, I don't. I want to like him, and I think that, with the right guidance, in a couple of years he really could be ready to be a full on main event player.
He actually had one of the best matches I've ever seen him in against Bryan. Good variety, some nice, stiff offence, and a willingness to mix it up.
That was the good.
The ending was a farce. Bryan uses three finishers and can't put Reigns down. Reigns does one, and Bryan is out for the count. I wasn't surprised, but damn, was I disappointed.
Then they make Bryan and Heyman basically suck his dick on Raw. It wasn't necessary, especially since Reigns is actually starting to improve with his promos.
And he's fighting Lesnar. The most dominant champion in years. the guy that took aa's, curb stomps and all manner of attacks and still walked all ****ing over two of the top guys in the company. And Reigns is most likely going to beat him, which just seems inexplicable to me.
And the worst part of it is? I don't even think it'll be a good match. Lesnar is many things, but a ring general he is not. Neither is Reigns. Lesnar's best matches are all against guys who can lead a match. Call it. Tell that story. It's no coincidence that his opponents since returning have all been guys that, whether they're good amateur wrestlers or not, are all excellent pro wrestlers.
Reigns and Lesnar could be another Lesnar and Goldberg, and that's sad. Reigns isn't that old. Give him another year. Maybe two. Make a diamond from the rough like they've done in the past. He has the potential. I just feel like they're ruining it.
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Cena and Rusev was silly. He should have gone over Cena clean. Make him seem like an unstoppable beast. Then let Reigns beat Rusev. Makes Reigns look good, and very much like the next "Cena" without it being so horribly shoved in our faces. Instead we get more of this "Cena didn't technically give up" crap. Well, his body gave in, so...
Ziggler misused yet again. At least on Raw he got something to do.
Glad to see the Usos lose the belts. I don't mind them as a tag team, but the push that made them the top guys has steadily been overshadowed by the emergence of superior tag teams. The lack of identity the Usos seem to have damages them, imo. They've had the titles plenty. Time to give others a shot.
Goldust and Stardust just seemed... Weird. I loved that they did the whole "we're brothers so know each other so well we counter every move" aspect of it, but a screwy finish and a dead crowd really didn't help things. Still wanna see where Cody goes, though.
Nikki V Paige was all right, but holy shit, NXT is the superior product for women's wrestling right now. And I say this as someone who actually likes Naomi and Cameron's potential.
Really glad to see Orton back. Really hoping we get Rollins v Orton @ mania. Could very well be match of the night.
Saw Taker in a recent instagram video. He's looking much healthier than last year imo, so cautiously optimistic that he can put on a better performance this year with Bray.
No idea what they're doing with Bryan, sadly. Everyone is saying either Sheamus or Ziggler, but I dunno. Heel Sheamus might be good. Ziggler V Bryan would steal the show, but what would be the point of it?
Since you started off with Reigns, and i'm his only fan here, i have to say, in addressing your points that, he surely didnt make Bryan and Heyman cut those promos.
How much input he has in a match i've no idea, but given his inexperience i doubt he has Cena level will/wont sell say in things. So, again, not affecting my perception.
The guy's done nothing wrong. He's showing up for work and his bosses are saying he's getting promoted ahead of his peers. I really dont think anyone's going to turn down a promotion at work outside a movie or tv show.
And, lesnar/Goldberg was lesnar/Goldberg because the fans knew both had blunyly given them a "screw you, we're out of here".
No way is that the case in the WM main event.
Originally posted by riv6672
Since you started off with Reigns, and i'm his only fan here, i have to say, in addressing your points that, he surely didnt make Bryan and Heyman cut those promos.
How much input he has in a match i've no idea, but given his inexperience i doubt he has Cena level will/wont sell say in things. So, again, not affecting my perception.
The guy's done nothing wrong. He's showing up for work and his bosses are saying he's getting promoted ahead of his peers. I really dont think anyone's going to turn down a promotion at work outside a movie or tv show.
And, lesnar/Goldberg was lesnar/Goldberg because the fans knew both had blunyly given them a "screw you, we're out of here".
No way is that the case in the WM main event.
Your perception is your perception; nothing wrong with that. I know what it's like to like a wrestler that gets a lot of shit (I'm a Miz fan), so it's not like i'm trying to change your mind.
I even liked Reigns when he was in the Shield.
And you are right to an extent. The bigger culprit here is Vince. He's the one making the promos happen. He's the one that wants Reigns to fight Lesnar. He's the one that made him go over Bryan.
And you're also right about how nobody would realistically say no, even if we'd like to think they should.
Now, all that being said:
When it comes down to it, Reigns is the one that speared Bryan. Reigns is the one that stands there with a stupid grin on his face during bad promos. He's going to be in the ring with Lesnar, and he's (probably) going to win the title.
Just like I don't think it's fair that he has all of the blame (and he doesn't), you can't say he gets none of it either.
And as far as Goldberg v Lesnar, I was talking about the quality of match. This one could be really bad if they're not careful. I hope, though, that they just turn it in to a brawl, as both Lesnar and Reigns can do that reasonably well, imo. It just annoys me because this is Wrestlemania. It's the world cup final of wrestling. It's supposed to be the absolute best of the best in the biggest match of the year.
No matter what anyone says, I seriously don't see Reigns v Lesnar living up to Vince's expectations/hopes. And that sucks.
Well of course it Reigns doing all those things...🤨
Match quality's going to be an issue. Fans expect more nowadays. Why? I dont know, when two if the more highly regarded matches in WM history are Hogan/Andre, Hogan/Warrior. Looked at without bias, those matches were slow and clunky.
But i get it, nothing's going to please 100% of todays schizophrenic fanbase.
Originally posted by riv6672
Well of course it Reigns doing all those things...🤨Match quality's going to be an issue. Fans expect more nowadays. Why? I dont know, when two if the more highly regarded matches in WM history are Hogan/Andre, Hogan/Warrior. Looked at without bias, those matches were slow and clunky.
But i get it, nothing's going to please 100% of todays schizophrenic fanbase.
All I meant was that Reigns has a share of the blame, even if it isn't the lion's share.
Yes, by the time Andre got old, he was terrible. Yes, Warrior was a shit in-ring performer, that needed his hand held by a superior wrestler (Savage, Rude) to get the best of him.
BUT, and this is a BIG BUT, guys like warrior and andre didn't need to be good, because they had already made the fans care about them. Sure, Hogan and Warrior were not great workers, but they just oozed charisma. Their promos were nothing short of amazing, and they got people to actually care about them to the extent that it didn't matter as much that they weren't great technical wrestlers. People still had their favourites.
And Andre? Andre back in the day was an amazing worker. He deserves a pass imo.
I could agree that people have higher expectations these days, at least when it comes to the technical side of things. That said? If fans like you, you really don't need to be the greatest worker in the world. Guys like Rock and Austin were not great technical wrestlers, yet they knew how to get the audience eating out of the palm of their hands. They had that "x" factor. Punk had it. Bryan has it. Cena, Lesnar, they have it. Reigns just doesn't. Yet.
Reigns needs to find that hook, imo. That thing that makes him as good as he can be. It might take a while, but I think he can do it.
Originally posted by Quincy
You'd think they'd earn their keep by getting the smaller belts and moving on, not jumping from Tag titles STRAIGHT to HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD
I really don't see what the harm would have been in having him win a mid-card title like the US or IC, and give him a short run with that where he could develop as a singles wrestler.
I agree alot with what PR is saying. For me when Reigns was in the Shield, he was okay but Ambrose and Rollins were the ones that got my attention.
Deep down I also believe Reigns has potential but still is green and I will bet that this Mania will most likely be a repeat of Goldberg vs Lesnar. Looking at Riv's sig, it's safe to say that Reigns will become Superman and kick out of 10 F-Fives, and withstand every suplex Lesnar throws at him to be countered with a Spear and Lesnar going down for the 3 count.
Vince is behind all of this hence me saying, everyone was blowing smoke up Reigns ass this Raw. I hate Vince and Kevin Dunn in the crap they pulled with the Divas tag match this Monday. Personally I think Charlotte and the Divas on NXT should not come to the main roster. PERIOD
I am hoping Daniel Bryan will have another shot at the title, because shit he barely had a title run due to his injury.
Originally posted by riv6672
Kinda short on time, but wanted to say, nice couple of posts, whether i agree with them or not.
AND, like i told someone on another site, where i'm also the only Reigns fan, i dont mind.
If i wanted to post with people who just agree with me i'd be on RomanReigns.net. 🙂
Hey brah you are one of the level headed cool guys I enjoy talking to on here...even if you are a Roman Reigns fan 😉
Originally posted by riv6672
Kinda short on time, but wanted to say, nice couple of posts, whether i agree with them or not.
AND, like i told someone on another site, where i'm also the only Reigns fan, i dont mind.
If i wanted to post with people who just agree with me i'd be on RomanReigns.net. 🙂
if that site actually exists, i'm going to hurt you... uhuh