Originally posted by TheHulkhe is a worse talker than Rollins (his weakest area) and Ambrose is a better mechanical wrestler (his weakest area). Both have better ring Psycology, Both are better spot festers, both are better catch an catch can wrestlers, obviously both are stronger in their respective strong areas (depth of move set: Rollins & Mic work: Ambrose...
I find this quite an exaggeration.
Reigns best feature is his Look, that's about it... He wasn't a standout in FCW, I think he had all of 2 matches in NXT, he was babied through the Shield run, he has never worked a good singles match that didn't involve the other guy being a contender for top 5 best ring workers (Bryan, Orton, Rollins) & personally though I know it differs; I didn't like the Orton matches.
Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Hope its Bryan, he makes a fun heel. Ziggler as a heel was always forgettable to me.I was referring to calling me a mindless cool-aide drinker for putting someone over Bryan.
Very condescending, like most Bryan fans.See, i can generalize, too. 😉
Think i'll skip this thread for a while.
For me, Ziggler will always be better as a heel. A popular heel, sure, but a heel nonetheless.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
he is a worse talker than Rollins (his weakest area) and Ambrose is a better mechanical wrestler (his weakest area). Both have better ring Psycology, Both are better spot festers, both are better catch an catch can wrestlers, obviously both are stronger in their respective strong areas (depth of move set: Rollins & Mic work: Ambrose...Reigns best feature is his Look, that's about it... He wasn't a standout in FCW, I think he had all of 2 matches in NXT, he was babied through the Shield run, he has never worked a good singles match that didn't involve the other guy being a contender for top 5 best ring workers (Bryan, Orton, Rollins) & personally though I know it differs; I didn't like the Orton matches.
I don't think saying that Reigns is the weakest of the Shield is necessarily a bad thing. It might seem like it implies that the guy is shit, but he does have potential, and with the right guidance, could become a star.
The problem is that he was paired up with two future champions. Two literal superstars in waiting. Almost anyone would look bad next to them.
Rollins, right now, is the biggest heel in the company bar none, and is easily becoming the next HHH/HBK imo.
Ambrose can lose every match, but the way he structures his matches, and his ability to turn even the shittest segment in to comedy gold, means he's a mainstay either way. And he's still the closest thing we have to a new SCSA/Punk.
Reigns can catch up in time, his skills are just in different areas than those guys. Though I still think they should bring back the heel he was in NXT.
Originally posted by -Pr-i'd accept that excuse for 99% of the Roster but WWE is straight up saying he is the guy they are going with, if he isn't atleast passable in all areas of his job it makes no sense. He feels so much like Luger in WCW it makes me sick... Atleast Luger was self aware of the dislike and took it on the chin, Reigns is a dick and WWE trying to lie about what he said is deceitful at best
For me, Ziggler will always be better as a heel. A popular heel, sure, but a heel nonetheless.I don't think saying that Reigns is the weakest of the Shield is necessarily a bad thing. It might seem like it implies that the guy is shit, but he does have potential, and with the right guidance, could become a star.
The problem is that he was paired up with two future champions. Two literal superstars in waiting. Almost anyone would look bad next to them.
Rollins, right now, is the biggest heel in the company bar none, and is easily becoming the next HHH/HBK imo.
Ambrose can lose every match, but the way he structures his matches, and his ability to turn even the shittest segment in to comedy gold, means he's a mainstay either way. And he's still the closest thing we have to a new SCSA/Punk.
Reigns can catch up in time, his skills are just in different areas than those guys. Though I still think they should bring back the heel he was in NXT.
Originally posted by AncientPowerthats an odd time? What are you basing that on? Is that when they rejoined or something?
I believe their current contract runs till backlash.
I don't think that's a fair comparison. Charlotte is a naturally gifted technical wrestler. Reigns is more in the Cena/Batista mould. The big guy that can learn psychology and how to put on a good match without being the most gifted.
Reigns has never had this kind of push before. My hope is that he, like Cena, hones his craft until he can at least put on a decent title match without being completely carried by the other guy.
Just trying to be optimistic, but I do think he's capable of improving. Whether he will or not is up to him.
I think he is fine in ring skill wise, it's just stringing together his move set into a cohesive match set.
I hate the Underdog comeback stuff, if your selling him as an unstoppable Juggernaut he shouldn't be selling 90% of the match.
My biggest hatred of Cena is that his persona has no weakness, despite the truth showing glaring opposite. Reigns is turning into that, I'm not saying he needs to lose but he needs a weakness and his aggression could be a solid reason for him to be treated human.
Originally posted by Henry_PymBefore and even during The Shield's run both, or at least Rollins, didn't do that much with the mic to prove that he is far superior than Reigns in the mic or at least that much superior. So i assume you are making that claim only because of Reigns current showings in the mic. Ambrose is a great mechanical wrestler, i don't know what are you watching..........okay maybe so far his matches in the WWE aren't the best but his CZW and FCW matches were freaking awesome. But i agree with the rest.
he is a worse talker than Rollins (his weakest area) and Ambrose is a better mechanical wrestler (his weakest area). Both have better ring Psycology, Both are better spot festers, both are better catch an catch can wrestlers, obviously both are stronger in their respective strong areas (depth of move set: Rollins & Mic work: Ambrose...
Originally posted by Henry_PymI agree with the his looks being his strongest feature and his opponents. But for him being carried through The Shields run? Now that is something i will forever argue against.
Reigns best feature is his Look, that's about it... He wasn't a standout in FCW, I think he had all of 2 matches in NXT, he was babied through the Shield run, he has never worked a good singles match that didn't involve the other guy being a contender for top 5 best ring workers (Bryan, Orton, Rollins) & personally though I know it differs; I didn't like the Orton matches.
Originally posted by -Pr-My man Pr laying down the truth and facts as always 👆
For me, Ziggler will always be better as a heel. A popular heel, sure, but a heel nonetheless.I don't think saying that Reigns is the weakest of the Shield is necessarily a bad thing. It might seem like it implies that the guy is shit, but he does have potential, and with the right guidance, could become a star.
The problem is that he was paired up with two future champions. Two literal superstars in waiting. Almost anyone would look bad next to them.
Rollins, right now, is the biggest heel in the company bar none, and is easily becoming the next HHH/HBK imo.
Ambrose can lose every match, but the way he structures his matches, and his ability to turn even the shittest segment in to comedy gold, means he's a mainstay either way. And he's still the closest thing we have to a new SCSA/Punk.
Reigns can catch up in time, his skills are just in different areas than those guys. Though I still think they should bring back the heel he was in NXT.
Originally posted by TheHulk... So you agree Reigns was a poor choice?
Before and even during The Shield's run both, or at least Rollins, didn't do that much with the mic to prove that he is far superior than Reigns in the mic or at least that much superior. So i assume you are making that claim only because of Reigns current showings in the mic. Ambrose is a great mechanical wrestler, i don't know what are you watching..........okay maybe so far his matches in the WWE aren't the best but his CZW and FCW matches were freaking awesome. But i agree with the rest.I agree with the his looks being his strongest feature and his opponents. But for him being carried through The Shields run? Now that is something i will forever argue against.
Originally posted by TheHulkThat Reigns was a poor choice?
My man Pr laying down the truth and facts as always 👆
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Any Barrett fans? I'm not sure why but he has go away heat with me, I think he is fine but I tend to not care when he is on my TV.
Wow shitty booking as far as the main event is concerned. Like I said before, why do they have Reigns come to the ring when Lesnar is not there and it's just Heyman. Last week on Raw when Lesnar was there, it would have been more interesting to have Roman come to the ring to confront him. Though interesting does not fit the WWE's logic.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
do you mean Rocky "Die Rocky Die" Maiavia? He got a new gimmick in NoD and became hugely over as a Babyface...
this is really late for the convo... but, Rock helping Reigns in the Royal Rumble was not a good move by the scriptwriters... i mean, if people like me (who is mostly forgetful) remembered that the Shield attacked Rock on Rumble two years ago, almost costing his WWE title to CM Punk - now Rock helped his "family"? -_-
it was just two years, man... they already broke kayfabe that Rock and Reigns are blood-related... i don't know if that helped Reigns or just made him look bad or weak...
Originally posted by Henry_PymNot really, Call me stupid, but i believe they are just giving him a shot at the main event more than they are trying to make him the face of WWE.
... So you agree Reigns was a poor choice? That Reigns was a poor choice?///
Any Barrett fans? I'm not sure why but he has go away heat with me, I think he is fine but I tend to not care when he is on my TV.
I enjoy Barrett but i agree, it's just that his BNB gimmick isn't really all that.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
it does in that WWE didn't need to rely on Rocky.
That doesn't matter tho. The point is that a mixed reaction can be used to the advantage of a wrestler.
If you don't like that era of The Rock since he was part time, how about we use Nation Rock? He was a heel. Then, due to his comedy routine, he recieved mixed reactions. Eventually he made a face turn because he was gaining popularity. Then he flipped again. All that was possible because the fans both loved and hated him at the time.
Similar things happened with DX and the NWO. Mixed reactions don't have to be bad if you can work them
The difference was they were Heels turning into a Babyface, Reigns is a Babyface turning into Cena...
Also a GIANT lol at comparing NWO's reaction and popularity to Reigns.
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Originally posted by Henry_Pym
The difference was they were Heels turning into a Babyface, Reigns is a Babyface turning into Cena...Also a GIANT lol at comparing NWO's reaction and popularity to Reigns.
The Rock was a face turning heel at one point too.
I'm just comparing the "mixed reaction" not saying they were on the same level
Reigns getting a mixed reaction could easily be turned into a heel turn for him. "The people didn't believe in me so I don't believe in them" typw thing. It would work if WWE went that way at WM. Paul could screw Lenar and Reigns could be a top heel. Simple and easy