Originally posted by Violent2Dope
One thing you all have to admit he has is ring presence.
Obviously but that aint saying much cause he is a giant. He still has hardly any wrestling skills. Like on raw last week they way he took batista's spear was terrible.
http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/videos/ notice how poorly he falls.
There is like no emotion or charisma in that fall he just takes and is doing bad job imo of selling the force in which batista hit him with.
Raw 9/17/07 results
With my description of it
Raw opens with Cena describing what happened at unforgiven.
We learn that it will be john cena's dad vs randy orton. (orton has a rematch for the title in a last man standing match at no mercy)
Cena's dad accepted the match because coach would have stripped cena of the title for his dad interfering and him cena pushing coach at the ppv.
Jeffy Hardy defeats Shelton Benjamin for the IC title via the swanton
We have a vince/hornswaggle segment in the limo coach is put in charge of hornswaggle.(who just got out of his carseat and attacked coach.(not as funny as it sounds)
Santino Marella is looking for maria who wont talk to him but says he will do something to impress her tonite.
Vince and coach walk into vince's office and it is has an irish decoration and music playing and a donkey with a cone hat on its head.(i think its suppose to be a unicorn)
Hacksaw jim duggan defeats Davari in a flagmacth (1st to get their nations flag of the pole on the turnbuckle wins.)
Coach tells cena if he wins his match tonight then his dad wont have to wrestle orton.
Vince comes to the ring,then does hornswaggle. Vince tells hornswaggle the he is up for adoption. The new family comes out to sign the papers but hornswaggle pants the guy and bites the girl. And vince says he hates hornswaggle and wants him out of the ring. HHH comes in and tells vince he decorated his office and made many funny jokes regarding vince.
HHH defeats Lance Cade and Trevor Merdoch in a handicap match. After the mact Carlito helps them beat on HHH but Paul London and Brian Kendrick come and save the day. Afterwards they celebrate and offer handshakes to HHH only for the both of them to get pedigreed! (that was also funny)
Candice Michelle and Mickie James defeats Melina and Jillian Hall. After the match Beth Phoenix knocks out Candice.
Vince McMahon and coach are talking on the way to McMahon's limo and they mention no one has seen hornswaggle anywhere. Vince gets in and as the limo leaves the trunks opens and we see hornswaggle stand up and say bye to coach who yells for McMahon who can''t hear him or see hornswaggle and it goes to a break.
Back from the break we learn next week it will be Triple H vs Carlito in steel cage match.
John Cena's mystery opponent is Santino Marella.(if cena wins then his dad will not have to face orton) Cena dominates him in the begining. The Orton comes out and attacks Cena. (ref calls for the bell) And Marella holds Cena in the corner. As Orton handcuffs him(note cena won the match by dq) to the bottom rope. Coach comes out and says that Cena must have won by pinfall or submission so the orton vs cena's dad is still on. (cena is still handcuffed) Raw goed to break before the main event. As cena yells at coach.
We comeback and cena is still handcuffed. Orton music plays and he comes back out.(not sure why he didnt stay at the ring but i ldc cause i like his entrance music)John Cena and Randy Orton havea brief stare down. Mr. Cena comes down the ring looking worried. Cena says to his dad he dont has to do it but cena's dad enters the ring.
(lots of randy sux chants mixed with some cheers) Orton dominates the match and taunts john cena.(lets go randy chats are heard midway through.) Cory Rhodes comes and attacks orton (who wins by dq) but Orton throws him at the stairs. John Cena is trying to escape but can't so far. RKO to Mr. Cena. John Cena escapes (still hancuffed to the ropes but the ropes arent attached to the turnbuckle. But Orton gets out of the ring before Cena gets to him and they have a staredown as Raw ends.(note that cena's dad is actually involved in
a wrestling promotion in the Boston area.
nice set up results there dude - nice and easy to read other than the "lets get some hip writers to do the results).
I heard alot of Lets Go Randy chants at Unforgiven, there was even a "chant off" between the crowd, haha loved it.
Good Raw none the less, who came up with the Flag Match? haha class.
As for not liking Khali, it was just a publicity stunt to get another Giant figure - not a performer or wrestler. Not cool.
His matches are boring, I think his arsenal consist of like 7 moves. and that CLAW dirt that he does....give me a break.
Originally posted by brainchild81
Not even close & he'll probably never reach his full potential because they gave him too much too soon. Shawn Micheals(back when he wore the gloves & before) is a good example of when Vince knew how a star should be made. It took him a while to get the belt & when he finally did the fans were right there w/him. You have to have enough lows in your career to make the fans really appreciate the highs. Too much too soon ruins things most of the time. Look @Goldberg
yeah... i miss marty janetty...
Then I'd actually start watching again.
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Originally posted by Violent2DopeDitto
Cena isn't really bad IMO, WWE just is always shoving him down our throats. I liked him as a heel.
Originally posted by DiscosEvolution was a very poor man's 4horsemen. Evolution flat out sucked & I'm glad they never called them the 4horsemen 'cause they'd have brought shame to the name. Batista is garbage & Cripple H ain't much better.
Batista....he bided his time, I enjoyed watching the whole Evolution stable for the time it was around (minus flair). Batista will no always be the future HHH and have to be in the Main setup.
Originally posted by Discos😄
Speaking of HHH, its glad to see the storyline writers pushing him away from main event status for a short time.
Originally posted by DiscosI've heard he said he'll retire after he gets 15. If that's true, I honestly hope he gets the title 5 times really quick & retires. I'd like him to be outta there by November. He should win it on Raw & lose it the next week. Win on a PPV & lose it the next night on Raw, that kind of stuff 😄
If I were HHH, I would be willing to keep my title as "former ten time champion"...eleven sounds tacky 😛
Originally posted by pr1983Me 2. Last I heard, he's in love w/the bottle 🙁 & Micheals really ain't been the same w/out the gloves. His ring attire w/out thim is lousy
yeah... i miss marty janetty...
Originally posted by Darth HordHis move list is only like that because they play him off as a sluggish but unfathomably powerful brute that can take flurries of hits and then follow up with one simple move that does more damage than all his opponent's punches combined. The selling the move thing...you have to admit, it's probably really hard for someone of his size to do that. As far as charisma...okay you have a point.
So he has shown much improvement and he can't sell a move for anything and he has no charisma there is no way to get into his matches.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
His move list is only like that because they play him off as a sluggish but unfathomably powerful brute that can take flurries of hits and then follow up with one simple move that does more damage than all his opponent's punches combined. The selling the move thing...you have to admit, it's probably really hard for someone of his size to do that. As far as charisma...okay you have a point.
Big Show has done a very good job of selling moves as had Kevin Nash, The Undertaker,The Monster Abyss and kane and these guys are very close in size to him (in particular the big show) and they know how to wreslte and as far as selling moces go matches involving big men like kane vs undertaker or big show are very good matches. Like batista is a physical powerhouse and khali couldn't even sell his spear well. Khali needs acting lessons and to be personally traine dby someone like kane,show, or nash
RANDY ORTON ATTEMPTED SUICIDE!!!???
read here
http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=192148548
Originally posted by brainchild81
Last I heard, he's in love w/the bottle 🙁 & Micheals really ain't been the same w/out the gloves. His ring attire w/out thim is lousy
well that sucks...
Originally posted by Darth Hord
RANDY ORTON ATTEMPTED SUICIDE!!!???
read here
http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=192148548
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Originally posted by Darth Hordjawdrop
RANDY ORTON ATTEMPTED SUICIDE!!!???
read here
http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=192148548
Originally posted by Darth Hord
RANDY ORTON ATTEMPTED SUICIDE!!!???
read here
http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=192148548
If thats true then why is he still on television?
Originally posted by DARKLORDCAEDUS
Obviously Vince handled it in house. May be thats why nothing happens to Orton when he has gotten into trouble.
I'm not sure if he didn't get in trouble(someone can get punished without being suspened or being fined) because by having a superstar lose many matches it makes them loose credibility as a main event and it can take a while for them to get back on top or for them to become a rising star. And i beilieve the was a time in 05-06 that orton was pushed out of the main event level after the undertaker thathe would lose a string of matches before his next fued.
Like Triple H for example was originally suppose to win the 1996 King of the Rinbut he was "demoted" as a punishment for the MSG incident and lost.(this then became the king of the ring that austin won and started the 3:16 catchphrase and began the austin era so in wa way thanks HHH) He did not become a rising star again until he won the 97 king of the ring. I believe the same thing happened with orton.
15 time champ? oh god help us. I was shocked to find out Booker T is older than HHH....that wrinkes doesnt do H any favours, heh.
Orton suicide? never heard of it before - crazy.
I also want to bring up a theory I have. The WWE title seems alot harder to win than the World Title. The World title has been passed around than a cheap hooker in vegas - this may be due to Injury.
Do you guys think that if the WWE Title was still on Smackdown, that Rey Mysterio would have won it at Wrestlemania?
The WWE, for me, is the big time.