with a week's preptime, Doom can achieve a lot... still, I give Galactus the win 'cos Apocalypse is a big jinx. the man spends millennia fiendishly scheming and planning so that he can have his butt kicked by a ragged band of mutants. no way are the team overcoming that kind of jinx effect.
anyway, Galactus is the wisest most intelligent being in the universe. he'll just offer Doom a deal, then it'll be D&G versus a bunch of vietnamese knock-off bags 😄
Originally posted by janus77
the man spends millennia fiendishly scheming and planning so that he can have his butt kicked by a ragged band of mutants.
Superb logic...if you actually have any idea what you're talking about...
Apocalypse has barely actually fought the X-Men himself. Apocalypse, ever since his debut, has exclusively been an villain to the X-Factor.
These two first scans are from X-Factor #6. (Apocalypse's first appearance). During the course of the battle between the Alliance of Evil and X-Factor, Nowlan's wife, Susan, was killed. As the guarantee of Susan's life was the means by which the Alliance controlled him, Nowlan now turned on his captors and recalled the energies that he had granted them. Unfortunately for Nowlan, the energies were too great for him to reabsorb and proved fatal. With Nowlan dead, the reason for the conflict was over, as well as Apocalypse's presence. Before departing, however, Apocalypse provided some unusual departing words.
And again at the end of X-Factor #25 after the X-Factor had defeated and stopped Apocalypse's four horsemen from utterly destroying New York:
Read any Louise Simonson X-Factor (1986) story. Apocalypse is far more menacing because it appears any short term goal--even losing to X-Factor--fits into his plans. Like Mister Sinister, short term setbacks mean nothing to Apocalypse because he largely works from the shadows through his pawns in the Alliance of Evil & the Horsemen of Apocalypse.
A good writer could show how effective a villain Apocalypse is through his surrogates & shows he plans for his defeats on purpose for a greater scheme the X-Men could never conceive. That's how Apocalypse was written in 1986's X-Factor.
I think Magneto over the last 40 years has battled, and lost the X-Men more then Apocalypse ever has. ermm
but comics are on-going near perpetual things. especially mutant comics, so yes any scheme of Apocalypse' will be doomed to repeated failure and can always be retconned as part of some even more elaborate plan that will come to term at a future date - as yet unknown and forever deferred.
anyway, my comments on Apocalypse being a jinx were intended as humour, though I still back Galactus to win.
Hmmm...can we take apocalypse off the team? He'd definitely bring down their chances.
Barring him, the team can do it. Doom's done it before under his own power - much less with the help of reed and Doctor Strange. I dunno what Apocalypse or Magneto are really going to do, but Strange, Doom, and Reed take this for the team.
The only way the team would win, I think as someone mentioned above, is if they could get an Infinity Gauntlet or Ultimate Nullifier level artifact. Those don't fall off trees. The FF needed The Watcher to tell them about the UN. Getting something like the infinity gauntlet typically would take more than a week. I think it is unlikely that they could get a device at that level (except for comic book PIS because the team would *have* to win in most plots).
It doesn't make sense to me to say that the team does it easily. To me that is a misreading of the Galactus character (who has been badly written too many times).
Originally posted by janus77
but comics are on-going near perpetual things. especially mutant comics, so yes any scheme of Apocalypse' will be doomed to repeated failure.
All villains are doomed to fail in one way or another in their schemes. Including Doom...
Originally posted by Soljer
Hmmm...can we take apocalypse off the team? He'd definitely bring down their chances.
Why? Apocalypse is a skilled strategist and tactician, having been through centuries of war. He could easily lead the team better than what Doom's ego will...
But neither Apocalypse, Doom, or Magneto is needed here.
Reed and Dr. Strange alone could handle Galactus with prep...
Doom's actually conquered the Earth several times already. taken Galactus' powers, Surfer's powers ... Doom's pretty much walked the walk as well as mouthed the words.
Doom's not so much a failed plotter as a surprisingly generous victor ('scuse the pun).
anyway, the problem is the vague scale of the schemes... smaller objectives can be realised and thus used to demonstrate the competence of the villain... humongous, vague and labryinthine ones just result in oodles of lost 'battles' without any eventual victorious 'war'.
Originally posted by seaapple
The FF needed The Watcher to tell them about the UN.
Not anymore,
the location of the UN has been graphed into Torch's mind.
During the Abrxas arc, the Watcher's memory was taken away and the UN was still found.
Originally posted by seaapple
Getting something like the infinity gauntlet typically would take more than a week. I think it is unlikely that they could get a device at that level
Right now, all Reed needs to do is summon the rest of the Illuminati.
They each have a Gem for safe keeping.