Can anyone survive a full scream from Blackbolt?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But its feats don't count as ones from 616

ie EarthX Celestial's feats cannot be used as feats for Celestials in 616

It's an interesting point your touching, I used to think the same thing.

The difference lies between humanoids (or lesser beings) and Cosmics.

You may catch a brutish Reed Richards in another Reality, and you may find a weak Hulk in another, even a deformed Mary jane,

but you will never find any difference concerning the Concepts and Cosmics.

In every What If that the Cosmics have appeared, they are exactly the same.

In every Alternate Reality that does not involve a What If, they are the same.

The Celestials of Earth X, are no different than the Celestials of 616.

According to LT's & Eternity's Bio,

the Hierarchy is exactly the same in every Universe, in the Multiverse.

Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, when something happens in another universe you have to take it with a grain of salt. Thats why so many people are pitted against House of M.

House of M took place in 616.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Seriously, it doesn't mean that the Universe X/Paradise X/Earth X stuff doesn't count, it's just in a continuity of its own.

Therefore the feats and events that happen in the series are not considered canon and aren't appliable to their 616 counter-parts. Like how you cannot use 616 Wolverine's feats for his Ultimate counter part.

Like I explained to SC,

not when it concerns the Cosmics.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It's an interesting point your touching, I used to think the same thing.

The difference lies between humanoids (or lesser beings) and Cosmics.

You may catch a brutish Reed Richards in another Reality, and you may find a weak Hulk in another, even a deformed Mary jane,

but you will never find any difference concerning the Concepts and Cosmics.

In every What If that the Cosmics have appeared, they are exactly the same.

In every Alternate Reality that does not involve a What If, they are the same.

The Celestials of Earth X, are no different than the Celestials of 616.

According to LT's & Eternity's Bio,

the Hierarchy is exactly the same in every Universe, in the Multiverse.

🙄 Celestials were just an example.

You can't use EarthX Wolverine's feats as part of the feats for 616 Wolverine

Originally posted by Mr Master
Like I explained to SC,

not when it concerns the Cosmics.

Since when is BlackBlot a Cosmic?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
🙄 Celestials were just an example.

You can't use EarthX Wolverine's feats as part of the feats for 616 Wolverine

I just answered the other guy on the matter. 🙂

Yes, and thus is canon, but since the characters were in an alternate universe some of their versions are considered "watered down". You don't use an alternate version to discuss the actual character, it would be like assuming that the 616 MJJ is exactly the same that the one who created the Fury. Different versions have different power caps.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Since when is BlackBlot a Cosmic?

Who said Black Bolt was a Cosmic? 😕

I just threw in an Earth X scan, and it was called non-canon.

It is Canon.

Concerning Black Bolt,

not every single History is different in an Alternate Reality,

you do have your exact matches with 616 counters.

This Black Bolt seems to be the same with the exception of his look somewhat.

Originally posted by Bentley
Yes, and thus is canon, but since the characters were in an alternate universe some of their versions are considered "watered down".

What alternate universe are you talking about?

Originally posted by Bentley
You don't use an alternate version to discuss the actual character, it would be like assuming that the 616 MJJ is exactly the same that the one who created the Fury. Different versions have different power caps.

I never said we should,

I said the Cosmics are exactly the same.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Who said Black Bolt was a Cosmic? 😕

I just threw in an Earth X scan, and it was called non-canon.

It is Canon.

Concerning Black Bolt,

not every single History is diffferent in an Alternate Reality,

you do have your exact matches with 616 counters.

This Black Bolt seems to be the same with the exception of his look somewhat.

Its only canon as in it's part of the MU. Its not canon as part of BlackBolt's ability 😬

Originally posted by Mr Master
Who said Black Bolt was a Cosmic? 😕

I just threw in an Earth X scan, and it was called non-canon.

It is Canon.

Concerning Black Bolt,

not every single History is diffferent in an Alternate Reality,

you do have your exact matches with 616 counters.

This Black Bolt seems to be the same with the exception of his look somewhat.

It still isn't canon, they can look exactly the same and have the exact powers of the 616 counter but it doesn't make you the 616 counter. Therefore whatever Black Bolt did in Earth X is not appliable with 616 Black Bolt in the slightest.

House of M, the universe created by Wanda is an alternate universe.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Its only canon as in it's part of the MU. Its not canon as part of BlackBolt's ability

I agree.

Earth X Black Bolt and 616 BB, for all intent and purposes are different.

Regardless of the similarities.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I agree.

Earth X Black Bolt and 616 BB, for all intent and purposes are different.

Regardless of the similarities.

But the scan you posted does give a good gauge of Black Bolt's power either way, despite hyperbole. He was portrayed real badass in Earth X.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
It still isn't canon, they can look exactly the same and have the exact powers of the 616 counter but it doesn't make you the 616 counter. Therefore whatever Black Bolt did in Earth X is not appliable with 616 Black Bolt in the slightest.

I agree.

they are both Canon unto themselves.

I was only defending the Issue really, which is canon.

I never constricted the term Canon to the 616 Reality,

I see what yall mean now, yall were differenciating the individuals themselves,

I was clarifying the canonicity of Earth X in the Multiverse.

We understand each other now. 🙂

Originally posted by Bentley
House of M, the universe created by Wanda is an alternate universe.

Actually Wanda Remade the 616 Universe in her image.

Then she Remade it again when she returned it to normality. (with a twist)

It was never a separate Reality from 616, it was 616 Warped.

Yes, but the reality not being the same causes the feats not to count.

(And technically there is no prove that Wanda warped the entire 616. Going tosleep now, cya)

Originally posted by Bentley
Yes, but the reality not being the same causes the feats not to count.

I have to disagree.

Wanda Re-created the 616 Universe, that doesn't make it a separate Universe,

just a different 616 Reality.

Originally posted by Bentley
(And technically there is no prove that Wanda warped the entire 616. Going tosleep now, cya)

"Her ability to altar probability got Super charged"

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616 ... again" (more than once she did it)

"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"

"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"

Originally posted by Soljer
In canon, apocalypse wasn't even affected by Black Bolt's voice.

HoM wasn't canon, chaps.

There are a ton of people that could survive a scream. Apocalypse being one of them.

Superman.
Silver Surfer.
A Green Lantern.
The Hulk.
Asgardian Destroyer.
Thanos.
Doc Strange.
The Keeper.
Magneto.
Ion.
Infinity Man.
The Sentry.
Gladiator.
The Eradicator.
The Fallen One.
The Flash.

Mr. Immortal, Deadpool, Hercules.

Et Cetera.

I do not agree with many on that list, sir.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Which character (below skyfather level) can survive a pointblank full scream from Blackbolt? Blackbolt screams at the top of his lungs so loud that he loses his voice.

A whisper from Blackbolt has disintegrated Apocalypse.
So even if Blackbolt just says a word in regular voice, that would probably be more powerful than nuclear bombs at ground zero.

A full scream would be even more powerful than Thor's godblast. I think even Galactus would be severely injured if BB unleashes a scream upon him.