Originally posted by snoopdogg
I'm gonna play this game like you do. Logan was fairly new when he tried to cut Warhawk so like you said about Colossus not knowing about Logans claws maybe Logan did not know at that time he could cut through steel or rock. He found out the hard way he cannot cut through organic steel.
You're right, you aren't playing this game like I do.
For one, you keep bringing up irrelivant examples and two you keep pretending that annual 6 is something that actually shows this argument to be in C's favor. 😐
What part of RETCONNED isn't quite getting through to you?
When Wolverine tried to cut Warhawk he would know EXACLTY what he could or couldn't do to rock or steel.. wanna know how I know that?
CAUSE WOLVERINE WAS NOT NEW BY THE TIME HE JOINED THE X-MEN...
chronologically speaking of course, wolverine had already spent a wealth of time working for department H, as well as having been on several special missions in between his escape from weapon x and his addition to department H.
In wolverine flashback he sliced through a car like it was made out of cardboard.
In his time with alpha flight he put the boots to multiple steel and chromium robots.
In alpha flight special 1 he easily sliced and diced rhino's hide... (even juggernaught thought rhino's hide was too tough for him to deal with and decided he had to bypass it completely)...
Wolverine FULL WELL knew he could dice through steel by the time he fought warhawk.. again.. it was an early appearance of the character before his attributes were well defined. It's not a suitable example since his claws have been retconned.. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.. it's like trying to claim that wolverine can't cut hulk since he didn't do it in his first appearance.. obviously.. that ain't the case. 😬
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Then you say Logans claws were retconned,(even with no valid proof other than your opinion) that's the first time I ever heard that.
What the hell are you talking about.. there IS valid proof.. you know.. in wolverine cuttig every form of metal, skin, and hide as hard as rock and steel "like a hot knife through butter" on most occasions, since he said that. 😬
Again. I'm not quite sure what's so hard to follow about that but if you need to me leave you some breadcrumbs let me know.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Now when Riptide hurt Colossus it was around the same time Logan failed to do any real damage to Colossus. But as I said earlier Colossus has been augmented since then by Magneto so he would be more durable now than when Logan scratched him.
Again you say that logan failed to do any real damage as if that was all the damage he was capible of doing in spite of the text reading otherwise... 😕
and again.. that second point only backs up what I'm already saying; there's not enough hardcore evidence to call it either way.. it's pretty much that simple.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Now in the Annual #6 scan Logan sliced him hard enough to make sparks and score Colossus telling me he put some juice in the attack.
your speculation means nothing... wolverine wasn't grounded, he lacked leverage and all he's shown doing is a simple backhand swipe.. the damage that resulted was just what happened it doesn't dictate that it was an "everything I got" attack..
Originally posted by snoopdogg
In X-men #160 S'ym tossed a adamtium claw as Colossus and all it did when he through it was stick into his shoulder a few inches at best. What did Colossus do? Simply pulled it out and fought on.
Do we need to cover how many more character's have suffered far more serious and considerable damage and "fought on".. captain america for instance. Again that doesn't prove that wolverine can't damage him.. 😬 infact it implies the opposite.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Colossus was even surpised that Logans claw pierces his armor by commenting on the strength of S'ym to be able to do that.
So what? it doesn't prove that 616 wolverine can't cut him does it?...
Infact that was a weakened admantium skeleton.. whether it be akin to AOA wolverine and the admantium bonding process simply didn't take as it did in 616 or akin to that of the wolverine of 2020 in that the 2020 wolverine's claws broke on death's head's multifuntional arm because his skeleton was weakened by way of a magical attack from charnel.. just like it probably was by belasco. Yet in contrast 616 wolverine diced right through death's head's arm like nothing.
I mean look.. Sym snaps that claw off like it were a twig, he doesn't struggle or strain himself to do it either. But in contrast again what happens when he fights wolverine? when he lands a couple of actual blows on the midget? NOTHING. If the admantium skeletons had the same consistency wolverine's head would have either been knocked off or permenantly caved in... it wasn't..
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Sh!t even in Ultimated continuity Wolverine has failed to injure Colossus as basically the same thing happened.
again irrelivant.. and again STILL DEBATEABLE.
Originally posted by riceroost
Which does not show in any way what happened, since there are sparks flying everywhere. Although Emma does clearly state that Wolverine will kill Colossus.