Magneto, Classic Juggernaut, Apoc vs Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, GL (Kyle)

Originally posted by llagrok
No you read up on YOUR comics! In New x-men, planet X crossover. You'll see that telepathy doesn't work on Magneto when he has his helmet or when he has Xorn's helmet. Nor did telepathy work on Polaris when she recreated magneto's helmet during her wedding with Havok. Killing Juggernaut is also quite the feat, when MM is down. Even if you manage to flay him down to a skeleton, you'd just make him even more powerful.

Since when was growing a hundred feet Apocalypse's favourite move? Magneto's powers works fine on someone who's phasing. Even though Apocalypse can't use his telepathy directly on diana there's tons of other things he can do with it. He draws his strength from a pretty much limitless source.

Although the omnipotent Kyle is probably too much for them to handle. I still don't think it would be overkill.

IF we're talking about the time controlling Kyle, then I concede.

MY GOD! I'm one of the biggest Apoc fans on the board and one of the creators of his respect thread. AND EVEN I THINK HE CAN'T BEAT THIS TEAM! He can beat the martian, but not for a majority. Kyle is beyond their ability to beat, unless Apoc can mindrape him. And as far as I know, Kyle's too powerful normally to be mindraped. The team is too powerful, team 1 can't win unless they manage to take out at least Kyle or Martian quickly.

Alright, stop babbling I'm the Apoc expert here.

Apoc LOSES.

End of story

Team 2 wins btw.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Alright, stop babbling I'm the Apoc expert here.

Apoc LOSES.

End of story

Team 2 wins btw.

Meet one of the other creators of the Apoc respect thread, Evil_Ash. If he and I, the two biggest experts on Apoc on this board, are saying he loses, take it as the last word. 😉

Team 1 wins only if Juggernaut pulls down deep and reaches his full potential 😖hifty:

But yeah team 1 looses 10/10

Originally posted by llagrok
No you read up on YOUR comics! In New x-men, planet X crossover. You'll see that telepathy doesn't work on Magneto when he has his helmet or when he has Xorn's helmet. Nor did telepathy work on Polaris when she recreated magneto's helmet during her wedding with Havok. Killing Juggernaut is also quite the feat, when MM is down. Even if you manage to flay him down to a skeleton, you'd just make him even more powerful.

Since when was growing a hundred feet Apocalypse's favourite move? Magneto's powers works fine on someone who's phasing. Even though Apocalypse can't use his telepathy directly on diana there's tons of other things he can do with it. He draws his strength from a pretty much limitless source.

Although the omnipotent Kyle is probably too much for them to handle. I still don't think it would be overkill.

IF we're talking about the time controlling Kyle, then I concede.

Plus Magneto can resist TP pretty well without his helmet but Xavier has mindraped him and MM>Xavier.

Although the omnipotent Kyle is probably too much for them to handle. I still don't think it would be overkill.

IF we're talking about the time controlling Kyle, then I concede.

😆

Omnipotent...

Not over kill...

Omnipotent....

Not over kill...

Someone needs to whip out a dictionary and bash it over this little shit's head a few times.

Yeah, that was weird, maybe Preretcon Beyonder was involved in the phrase -entirely out of context.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He can beat the martian, but not for a majority. Kyle is beyond their ability to beat, unless Apoc can mindrape him. And as far as I know, Kyle's too powerful normally to be mindraped. The team is too powerful, team 1 can't win unless they manage to take out at least Kyle or Martian quickly.

That's what I was trying to say 😎

Team 1 wins, or has a fair chance of winning, IMHO. Apocalypse is the most powerful OMEGA class mutant if written properly. Juggs is a beast, and Magneto as one of Stan Lee's creation's(x-men) main villains gets special treatment by the writers.

I mean if we read it correctly and follow the powers according to what they mean, Apocalypse can't really be beaten in comics. Molecular control of his body means he has all powers that can be given to any biological or nonbiological, to any material character there is. He eventually conquers the earth, and he probably survives his supposed "future death" at the hands of that lovely family(summers...).

Now if we put the "writers" almost always fck it up, and write apocalypse weaker than he is. Then we can also state that any marvel vs dc comic will likely have the DC team, just as Apocalypse almost always is, brought down to earth too powerwise by the writers.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Team 1 wins, or has a fair chance of winning, IMHO. Apocalypse is the most powerful OMEGA class mutant if written properly. Juggs is a beast, and Magneto as one of Stan Lee's creation's(x-men) main villains gets special treatment by the writers.

I mean if we read it correctly and follow the powers according to what they mean, Apocalypse can't really be beaten in comics. Molecular control of his body means he has all powers that can be given to any biological or nonbiological, to any material character there is. He eventually conquers the earth, and he probably survives his supposed "future death" at the hands of that lovely family(summers...).

Now if we put the "writers" almost always fck it up, and write apocalypse weaker than he is. Then we can also state that any marvel vs dc comic will likely have the DC team, just as Apocalypse almost always is, brought down to earth too powerwise by the writers.

Apocalypse is an alpha mutant, and team 1 gets stomped.
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Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Team 1 wins, or has a fair chance of winning, IMHO.

No.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Apocalypse is the most powerful OMEGA class mutant if written properly.

🤨

Do you even know what an Omega class mutant is?

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
I mean if we read it correctly and follow the powers according to what they mean, Apocalypse can't really be beaten in comics.

Then you haven't been reading comics...

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Now if we put the "writers" almost always fck it up, and write apocalypse weaker than he is. Then we can also state that any marvel vs dc comic will likely have the DC team, just as Apocalypse almost always is, brought down to earth too powerwise by the writers.

😕

Originally posted by Soljer
Apocalypse is an alpha mutant, and team 1 gets stomped.
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When you're a genius who's gotten lots of alien tech and are a genetics wiz kid who's lived for centuries, with the ability to alter your own genes(dna is a molecule.) and always growing more powerful. It simply doesn't make logical sense to say you're weak or not above pretty much all possible mutants... even top class ones like cable unleashed, x-man, jean, and Reed Richard's son.

Do you even know what an Omega class mutant is?

I've heard Jean and Ice-man could be classified as such and that such means something like immesurable mutant power or whatevah ridiculous overpowering schematic the writers come up with.

Then you haven't been reading comics...

I've been reading physics books, which are more valid in all books even within comic books. If you can acquire mass energy from your surroundings and alter it at a molecular level + you're a genius + you have mental/psyonic powers = basically you've something that for all practical matters equals the power cosmic, you're godlike.

Jonn alone beats Apoc kid.....

Jonn alone beats Juggs.....

Jonn alone could take Mags......

Team 1 FTW!!!

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
When you're a genius who's gotten lots of alien tech and are a genetics wiz kid who's lived for centuries, with the ability to alter your own genes(dna is a molecule.) and always growing more powerful. It simply doesn't make logical sense to say you're weak or not above pretty much all possible mutants... even top class ones like cable unleashed, x-man, jean, and Reed Richard's son.

There are mutants who surpass Apocalypse, and Franklin most certainly does.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
I've been reading physics books, which are more valid in all books even within comic books.

Real life physics equals comic book logic? 😆

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
There are mutants who surpass Apocalypse, and Franklin most certainly does.

Real life physics equals comic book logic? 😆

I used to have those talks when my Grandma was alive, about how even angels and heaven must abide by mathematics and logical rules. Even the celestial objects in the universe are bound by rules.

Comics have internal logic too, even if the writers want to say "NO", they're all bound by logic and physics.

In the end if you live for centuries with some of the most advanced tech and have an amazing intellect you're practically unbeatable, if written following things to their logical conclusion. Anything else is deviating from logic, and thus is illogic/irrational and nonsensical. Comics with common sense and logic will stand the test of time better than irrational/nonsensical/illogical ones.

It's just like the issue with the animated brainiac, he has tech from all over the universe, is a superintelligence and somehow gets beaten. That to someone well versed in logic as I, is as logical as saying some lowly fanboy geek boy beat the hulk for real in a comic story... the writers can do it, and get away with it, but those with real knowledge will just laugh at them.

I laugh at comic writers trying to make fun of apocalypse, especially after the animated versions were done so skillfully.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Sadly logic rules, and physics, even bizarre physical laws, everywhere.

I used to have those talks when my Grandma was alive, about how even angels and heaven must abide by mathematics and logical rules. Even the celestial objects in the universe are bound by rules.

Comics have internal logic too, even if the writers want to say "NO", they're all bound by logic and physics.

In the end if you live for centuries with some of the most advanced tech and have an amazing intellect you're practically unbeatable, if written following things to their logical conclusion. Anything else is deviating from logic, and thus is illogic/irrational and nonsensical. Comics with common sense and logic will stand the test of time better than irrational/nonsensical/illogical ones.

It's just like the issue with the animated brainiac, he has tech from all over the universe, is a superintelligence and somehow gets beaten. That to someone well versed in logic as I, is as logical as saying some lowly fanboy geek boy beat the hulk for real in a comic story... the writers can do it, and get away with it, but those with real knowledge will just laugh at them.

I laugh at comic writers trying to make fun of apocalypse, especially after the animated versions were done so skillfully.

I agree with you. Good points. Apoc, if written according to his powerset, is a beast.

Originally posted by masterbruce
I agree with you. Good points. Apoc, if written according to his powerset, is a beast.

But not nearly the beast that Kyle, or Jonn is.

Team 2 in a stomp.

Originally posted by Soljer

Team 2 in a stomp.

In a stomp?

That's a ridiculous statement.

Thor, who is much more powerful than WW could not handle Classic Juggernaut.

There's virtually nothing MM can do to Apoc.

Magneto uses his powers far more ruthlessly than Kyle (ie. while Kyle creates a big arm to grab Magneto, Magneto will kill Kyle with a bloodrip)

I do think team 2 could win, but certainly not a stomp.

Originally posted by masterbruce
There's virtually nothing MM can do to Apoc.