Juggernaut vs. Wonder Woman

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Stalemate, probably. I don't know, what can her lasso do?

Anyway, assuming this is a straight up battle, they stalemate, but WW will have the moral victory. She's faster, stronger, more skilled etc. Juggs can only stand there taking hits or, if he's really lazy, put up his force shield. But then WW would just toss him into space.

Throwing him into space wont work because cytorrak granted him the power to always come back just like he did when thor bfr him. Wonderwoman has no way of beating juggernaut, none. The 1st thing that turns this battle into his favor is that he is already invulnerable but he has a forcefield to add to that, that is impenetrable. You all seem not to understand that wonderwoman and superman get hit by people on a regular basis that moves at juggernaut speed. Thats all juggernaut has to do is wait until they come in for a lick, take it and come back with another one. Juggernaut is just as strong as both, actually in the updated comics that I have read of his it states that his strength is unlimited and I also have a marvel encyclopedia and web sites that says that his strength is unlimited. Saying that he might be stronger. Lets put it like this, apocalypse granted war hulk unknown strength far above what hulk had before and juggernaut still pushed him back for miles.

I cant think of a way for diana to win this fight. She dont have the tools. Also if juggernaut dont want his helmet to come off, its not coming off, he do have a force field that is created by a god. Juggernaut is one of the most unstoppable people in comics, plain and simple. Thats his power to be unstoppable, he is granted with everything to be unstoppable: invulnerability, cant bfr him, unlimited strength, added to his invulnerability a force field, dont need to breath, eat, sleep, and has the ability (whenever he knows the full knowledge of his power.) to tap into the crystal to add on his powers.

Juggs 10/10 in a long battle that he laughs through the entire time.

Heres juggernaut bio about his strength, will find more for you.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=596

Because of her superior speed (I'm always reading how she can move at lightspeed) and fighting skills, she makes for the better showing against Juggernaut than he does against her. And if she manages to get Jugg's hemet off, she def'ly wins.

If not: since Jugg never tires, can't be hurt and BFR is a temporary fix, seems to me that in the end, Juggernaut wins...

...unless, again, WW is able to depower him somehow (eg, helmet removal).

There is, IMO, a lot of inconsistency in how both characters are often portrayed. This fight ultimately goes according to writer whim.

Originally posted by carver9
Throwing him into space wont work because cytorrak granted him the power to always come back just like he did when thor bfr him. Wonderwoman has no way of beating juggernaut, none. The 1st thing that turns this battle into his favor is that he is already invulnerable but he has a forcefield to add to that, that is impenetrable. You all seem not to understand that wonderwoman and superman get hit by people on a regular basis that moves at juggernaut speed. Thats all juggernaut has to do is wait until they come in for a lick, take it and come back with another one. Juggernaut is just as strong as both, actually in the updated comics that I have read of his it states that his strength is unlimited and I also have a marvel encyclopedia and web sites that says that his strength is unlimited. Saying that he might be stronger. Lets put it like this, apocalypse granted war hulk unknown strength far above what hulk had before and juggernaut still pushed him back for miles.

He can come back, but it will dispose of him for a good while. You seem to forget that Superman and WW have been hit by people far stronger than Juggernaut (Ex: General, MM, Doomsday etc) and survived. Well, not Superman, but he has come a long way since he died. Also, Juggernaut strength is up for debate. Some sources claim that he has unlimited strength, others don't. He hasn't shown anything to indicate that he does, aside from the usual plot devices that haunt all brick characters.

Also, Apoc granted Hulk the strength he lost when he gained intelligence after the Onslaught/Heroes Reborn incident. This extra strength is presumably Hulk's own, harnessed by the CT.

I cant think of a way for diana to win this fight. She dont have the tools. Also if juggernaut dont want his helmet to come off, its not coming off, he do have a force field that is created by a god. Juggernaut is one of the most unstoppable people in comics, plain and simple. Thats his power to be unstoppable, he is granted with everything to be unstoppable: invulnerability, cant bfr him, unlimited strength, added to his invulnerability a force field, dont need to breath, eat, sleep, and has the ability (whenever he knows the full knowledge of his power.) to tap into the crystal to add on his powers.

Juggs 10/10 in a long battle that he laughs through the entire time.

She can't win, but she simply won't lose. However, with all her skills and strength and speed she can outwit and outfight him. So if this were a boxing match, she'd win by TKO. Alright, so it isn't a boxing match, but she has options to avoid losing and have the upperhand during the fight.

And Juggie's ability to tap into Cyttorak's gem is questionable at best.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
He can come back, but it will dispose of him for a good while. You seem to forget that Superman and WW have been hit by people far stronger than Juggernaut (Ex: General, MM, Doomsday etc) and survived. Well, not Superman, but he has come a long way since he died. Also, Juggernaut strength is up for debate. Some sources claim that he has unlimited strength, others don't. He hasn't shown anything to indicate that he does, aside from the usual plot devices that haunt all brick characters.

Also, Apoc granted Hulk the strength he lost when he gained intelligence after the Onslaught/Heroes Reborn incident. This extra strength is presumably Hulk's own, harnessed by the CT.

She can't win, but she simply won't lose. However, with all her skills and strength and speed she can outwit and outfight him. So if this were a boxing match, she'd win by TKO. Alright, so it isn't a boxing match, but she has options to avoid losing and have the upperhand during the fight.

And Juggie's ability to tap into Cyttorak's gem is questionable at best.

You say that Juggernaut hasn't had a set established strength lv, yet at the same time claim that other characters are his physical superior? Your contradicting yourself my friend.

Speculation, as the CT was never stated to only "harness" Hulk's strength. Up till that point I'd never seen Hulk glow with green radiant energy as portrayed when Cain was pushing him across Egypt. This imo is a clear indication that the CT was in some way aiding his physical attributes.

Originally posted by His Airness
Speculation, as the CT was never stated to only "harness" Hulk's strength. Up till that point I'd never seen Hulk glow with green radiant energy as portrayed when Cain was pushing him across Egypt. This imo is a clear indication that the CT was in some way aiding his physical attributes.

Co-sign

Up until that point, Hulk never had extra-dimensional energies flowing through his system. It' very possible that the tech was only harnessing the energies Hulk already had at the time.

Originally posted by Accel
Up until that point, Hulk never had extra-dimensional energies flowing through his system. It' very possible that the tech was only harnessing the energies Hulk already had at the time.

Either way, Hulk was abnormally powered.

Originally posted by His Airness
You say that Juggernaut hasn't had a set established strength lv, yet at the same time claim that other characters are his physical superior? Your contradicting yourself my friend.

Speculation, as the CT was never stated to only "harness" Hulk's strength. Up till that point I'd never seen Hulk glow with green radiant energy as portrayed when Cain was pushing him across Egypt. This imo is a clear indication that the CT was in some way aiding his physical attributes.

No, I said it was up for debate, eventhough his on panel appearances aren't an indication of an SS-like ability to increase physical strength. You see, most class 100 brick characters have "unknown" strength levels. And yet it is generally assumed that, say, Hulk is stronger than, say, Hercules. Now, since Superman's strength is ungodly high (not to mention some of the other DC heavy hitters,) and only a handful of Marvel heroes can actively increase their strength levels, Juggernaut is extremely likely to be weaker. Especially since Marvel themselves have no idea how to properly establish their own characters, except for a few key characters.

Not a whole lot is known about it, but it IS a possibility. It's a known fact that Hulk, when he is his classic self, can use his rage to amp himself. But without that uncontrollable, nigh-unlimited rage (everything post-Onslaught), what is he gonna do? He's less strong and far less durable. Well, I guess he has to compensate for it. Okay, so the whole CT thing was Apoc's idea and he was more interested in the CT than in Hulk's strength, but that tech DID compensate for what he had lost in terms of strength. So yes, you're right, Hulk was amped. Never stated otherwise. But he was also not his old self. And the exact architecture of the CT is never specified. Do the math. Or create a plausible theory yourself.

So in the end, we still don't know anything, except that it's not impossible to stop Juggernaut.

Would the added speed help Cain at all? Because having classic Quicksilver speed will more likely multiply the destructive force of his forward momentum power hundredfold.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
You probably shouldn't be in here.doped

Diana might not be as fast as Superman/Flash, but that doesn't make her slow either. She's just not as fast as them, but still too damned fast for Juggy to really do anything unless she decides to employ the tactic Face meets Punch at super speed.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Right at X and Vally....

I never paid much attention in science class, but i know bullshit when i see it.

Then you need to take a lesson. I said the 2nd largest object in MASS. Not in size. Try again. It looks like you didn't pay too much attention at all.

Originally posted by spidey-dude
to bad sugar but im still here. you should go on CBR you would make some buddies on there 😆

Anybody with enough sense knows that this wouldn't come down to strength.😬

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Anybody with enough sense knows that this wouldn't come down to strength.😬

Originally posted by Newjak
No more than likely it ends with Cain and Diana getting married and having little Wonder Juggernauts 😛

Can Juggy have kids?

I mean once he's in motion the forcefield goes up and . . .

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Can Juggy have kids?

I mean once he's in motion the forcefield goes up and . . .

Originally posted by Newjak
The forcefield only comes up when he wants it to 😛

Convenient.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Convenient.

For some reason I imagine a mobile home with a bunch of little kids and a lot of screaming. 😮

Originally posted by Newjak
Very and I could just see the couple that Wonder Woman and Juggernaut would make.

For some reason I imagine a mobile home with a bunch of little kids and a lot of screaming. 😮

😂

That would be quite the marrige. WW has that Amazonian spirit and pride and Cain is incapable of giving up. Just imagine them trying to make descisions.

Oh and I hear Diana is quite the screamer vin