AWE novelization spoilers

Ah, but she did do more to save him; she agreed to go to the ends of the earth to bring him back. In fact she was "willing to do anything to save [Jack]" according to Will in the AWE novel.

I'll bring back a line of Governor Swann's from the first film: "sometimes, a good decision if made for the wrong reasons, can be a wrong decision". She made a good decision to sacrifice Jack because the Kraken would have killed innocent crew members. However, whose to say that was her ONLY motivation for making that decision? We actually don't know; we'll find out in AWE.

If she felt nothing for him, beyond a little guilt (which who wouldn't feel guilty), why go to the trouble to bring him back? If she was good with her choice, and her choice had nothing to do with conflicted emotions, she would have left him to die because let's face it, when Elizabeth knows what she wants, there's nothing to stop her from taking it. 😉

"A little guilt"...Ok, I'm sorry, but I am going to sound rude because I'm going to be blunt. That is the stupidest thing I have ever read.

Killing someone, especially a friend, is not something that one would feel 'a little' guilt over.

You've never killed a person, Savvy, have you? Therefore, you have absolutely NO WAY of knowing how that affects someone.

Do you even know anyone who has had to kill? Have you sat up nights with them while they shake and weep and mourn the loss of that person, even if they had no other choice BUT to kill?

Have you watched someone slowly kill themselves over the grief of taking another life? You don't need to know a name to grieve over killing someone. Sometimes, you don't even have to see a face. The mere fact that when you close your eyes you can play that scene over and over in your head, knowing what you did, even if you had to, is an enormous burden.

You make it sound like Elizabeth should be ok with killing a person, especially someone she called a friend. Her grief is true to what I've seen soldiers, police officers and paramedics go through. There's guilt, regret, pain, andthe thought that, "if I could just take it back, I would. I would bring them back."

Few of them knew the identity of the person they ended the life of, and I know that not one of them was friends with that person. Still, there is a deep regret and mourning for what had to be done.

Unlike real life, however, Elizabeth gets that chance to bring someone back. She can 'fix' things; fix the gaping wound in her soul that was caused by killing someone.

Elizabeth has pushed the envelope to get what she wants, and now, she's realized that she's gone too far. She doesn't want to kill; she never knew what price there was to be paid for murdering someone.

That price is her morality, her soul, her love of life (for who can murder and still say that they love life?). Being amoral, losing her soul, losing everything that is central to her existance...that's not what Elizabeth wants, and you're a fool if you believe it.

I realize that Elizabeth is a fictional character, but TnT have taken care to craft characters that we can all relate to, who are all human, and who have human responses to the situations that occur in their lives.

The authority of being responsible for life and death is an awesome, terrible burden to carry. How dare you make it seem as if it's something that can be easily brushed aside?

To say that the only reason you'd ever want to bring back a friend that you murdered because you might be in love with them is both callous and stupid. Only a little guilt...Take your Sparrabeth blinders off for five seconds and repeat the phrase "I would only feel a little guilt for killing a friend" to yourself, and envision you murdering someone who is dear to you, and then you tell me if you'd only feel "a little guilt".

Surreal, that post was really offensive.

You have no right to offend someone over a damn movie.

You seriously crossed over the line this time. I'am sick of biting my tongue and feeling sorry. You and I may be OK. But when you make an ugly post to my friend(s). Then we are not OK.

Elizabeth was ****ing guilty over killing a man who I MAY ****ING QUOTE:

"Whom she may indeed be in love with."

Didn't say in love, whom she may.

She is vexed. Just like Jack. Writers or Keira mentions on how Liz is one chapter behind from Jack. Jack was in the same shoes as she was in DMC. Vexed. Jack already accepted his feelings. Now it's up to Elizabeth.

Asking some one if they killed a human being does not include in your theory. What does that question have to do with it.

Let me ask you something, have you ever been offended? Have you ever felt like you just can't take it, emotionally! Have you ever felt sick of some one debating 24 hours a day just because some one doesn't think the same like you?!

Not saying for you to not inject your opinions. We have freedom of speech. But I never read anywhere in the blasted Bill of Rights saying that we have the right to offend people.

We're going to always disagree, but no one's feelings are stupid, especially when it comes to a movie.

T&T, as far as I know, have never killed anyone and don't know anyone that has. They ground their work in real emotions and relationships as I've said before, but this is an action series when it all comes down to it. Not everything is going to be exactly how it is in real life and you have to accept what they write.

I agree that you went too far with that post, Surreal, but I think that the point you're trying to get across about why liz wants to save jack is perfectly true. Even if Liz does not love Jack, she at least values him as one of her very best friends. Of course she would feel tremendous guilt, she wants to take it back, she wants him back. I don't believe this implies in anyway that she is in love with him. Not being in love with him would not make her desire to have him back any less. The love you have for a friend can be just as strong.

Surreal:

There, feel better? Whew, good! Glad we got that out of our system. Let's recoup for a second. I'm more bewildered than belligerent to the point of being bemused by your rash assumptions.

Let me address the most egregious of them and let the rest fall to the way side. I'm sorry to inform you that I HAVE had to make a decision similar in weight and scope to Elizabeth's in regards to the life of a beloved family member. I know the burden of guilt intimately. It's complex; a mixture of self-loathing, remorse and dark depression. I'm many things, but I am not naive about the gravity of life's difficult choices. So when I wrote the things I did, I was never implying that I am taking Elizabeth's guilt lightly. On the contrary; her decision has a very personal resonance with my life.

There, that's over with. Now for the rest:

I think in your hurry to dismiss me and my Sparrabeth blinders you missed the overall point of my post. All that I intended to say was that we still don't what her motivations were at the end of DMC. You don't know for sure, I don't know for sure. When I wrote the post, it was meant to be a gentle reminder that none of us are all knowing. Ted and Terry have created very human characters, and those characters are complex, with multiple motivations that will be revealed in AWE. There is more to her decisions than meets the eye.

Further more as some people have already pointed out, I was using language that Terry used when he described Elizabeth's distraught behavior in Tia Dalma's hut. Terry said he was "guilty of writing a character who cried after she sent a man, whom she MAY indeed love to his death..."

Let's just call this one a draw eh?

Every one else:

Thanks! I appreciate you all leaping to protect my feelings, but that I'm a big girl and not typically offended. And go easy on Surreal 🙂 She's not a bully, and she's not intentionally trying to offend any one. On the contrary, she feels strongly about her opinions. There's nothing wrong with that. She is a N/E shipper trying to give a voice to an under represented population on this forum; that's a tough job! She has much of a right to post as the rest of us. Remember that diversity of opinion in any setting is healthy and important.

Cheers mates!