Can you handle the Truth?

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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is the problem JIA. You want us to be open to the possibility that science is wrong when you are not open to the possibility that the bible is wrong. Once you open your mind we will open our minds and then we can have a productive conversation. Until then you give us nothing, and we give you nothing. Your beliefs do not impress us because you come across as an authority that you cannot back up. Come down to Earth and admit that you don't really know, instead of trying to make us admit that we don't know.
Shakya makes a very good point.

We are all at a permanent stalemate with you, because you are stubborn and uncompromising. Why should we compromise our beliefs about science and logic when you won't ****ing budge?

I think the first post of the thread was dumb enough. What he doesn't realise is that Atheists need more than being told what to believe, to believe something. That's why they believe science. It's been experienced and proven.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
To answer your question: no I cannot give you an exception.

Fair enough.

Shakyamunison, if you don't mind I would like to ask you one other question: why do you believe that the Law of Cause and Effect which you admitted that you cannot provide even one exception for (not that it does not exist) is true for everything else in this material world and universe that we live in but seemingly irrelevant and unimportant relative to answering one of the most critical and important questions? To me the Law of Cause and Effect is truly absolute, and as my intelligent correspondent Storm put it, universal. But for some odd, bizarre reason logic and reason and other well-established scientific laws (which we use to test hypotheses) seem to be disregarded, ignored, and abandoned in reference to this Big Bang Theory, Big Crunch Theory, and Theory of Evolution. Are these scientists biased? Are they just building air castles or have they simply bitten off more than they can chew? They know that there is too much complexity in the universe for it not to have an equally adequate Cause to produce the complexity. Why else would they marvel over the intricacies of just one cell, or become overwhelmed by the information contained in one strand of DNA. How can they just arbitrarily conclude that something that complex just happened without adequate cause? Are scientists in denial (based on the evidence for intelligent design i.e. evidence for adequate Cause)? Is God the only viable, adequate Cause for the existence of the universe and life? Logic indicates that for something as massive, complex, intricate, involved, astounding, and impressive as this universe requires an equally massive, complex, intricate, involved, astounding, and impressive Designer (or adequate Cause).

The evidence demands a verdict or rather an adequate cause that is both logical and consistent with the laws of science.
--JesusIsAlive

But in the court of scientific law we see a travesty of justice. We see the views of scientists (who in the process of attempting to prove their hypotheses) violate every scientific law including the principles of logic and reason go unchallenged. Educators and administrative communities have permitted the spurious works of these scientists to become published and distributed to students all over the world.

There is no excuse for this partiality and prejudice.

http://www.harunyahya.com/books/science/dna/dnamiracle2.php

VOLUMES OF INFORMATION IN THE HUMAN CELL
“The information stored in DNA must by no means be underestimated. So much so that one human DNA molecule contains enough information to fill a million-page encyclopaedia, or to fill about 1,000 books. Note this fact well: one million encyclopaedia pages, or 1,000 books. This is to say that the nucleus of each cell contains as much information as would fill a one-million-page encyclopaedia, which is used to control the functions of the human body. To draw an analogy, we can state that even the 23-volume-Encyclopaedia Britannica, one of the greatest mines of information in the world, has 25,000 pages. Therefore, before us lies an incredible picture. In a molecule found in a nucleus, which is far smaller than the microscopic cell wherein it is located, there exists a data warehouse 40 times bigger than the biggest encyclopaedia of the world that includes millions of items of information. This means a huge 1000-volume encyclopaedia which is unique and has no equal in the world. Were one piece of information present in human genes to be read every second, non-stop, around the clock, it would take 100 years to complete the process. If we imagine that the information in DNA were put into book form, the volumes placed on top of each other would reach 70 metres high. The latest calculations have revealed that this huge encyclopaedia contains some 3 billion different "subjects." If the information in DNA were to be written down on paper, that paper would stretch from the North Pole to Ecuador.”

--Harun Yahya International © 2007. All rights reserved. Our materials may be copied, printed and distributed, by referring to this site.

http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/20questions18.html

“There is enough information in the DNA of a single human cell to fill an encyclopedia of one million pages. It would be impossible to read it all in one lifetime. If one person set out to read one DNA code per second, non-stop, all day every day, it would take him 100 years. That is because the encyclopedia in question possesses nearly three billion different codes. If we wrote down all the information in DNA on paper, it would stretch from the North Pole to the Equator. That means some 1,000 large volumes-more than enough to fill a big library. “

--68. "Human Genome Map Has Scientists Talking About the Divine" by Tom Abate, San Francisco Chronicle, February 19, 2001, (emphasis added)

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/origin-of-life.html

“DNA is a super-molecule which stores coded hereditary information. It consists of two long "chains" of chemical "building blocks" paired together. In humans, the strands of DNA are almost 2 yards long [approx. 1.82 meters], yet less than a trillionth of an inch thick [approx. 0.0000254 microns]. [135]

In function, DNA is somewhat like a computer program on a floppy disk. It stores and transfers encoded information and instructions. It is said that the DNA of a human stores enough information code to fill 1,000 books each with 500 pages of very small, closely-printed type. [136] The DNA code produces a product far more sophisticated than that of any computer.

Amazingly, this enormous set of instructions fits with ease within a single cell and routinely directs the formation of entire adult humans, starting with just a single fertilized egg. Even the DNA of a bacterium is highly complex, containing at least 3 million units [137], all aligned in a very precise, meaningful sequence.

DNA and the molecules that surround it form a truly superb mechanism a miniaturized marvel. The information is so compactly stored that the amount of DNA necessary to code all the people living on our planet might fit into a space no larger than an aspirin tablet! [138]

Many scientists are convinced that cells containing such a complex code and such intricate chemistry could never have come into being by pure, undirected chemistry. [139] No matter how chemicals are mixed, they do not create DNA spirals or any intelligent code whatsoever. Only DNA reproduces DNA.”

--Copyright © 1999, Eden Communications, All Rights Reserved - except as noted on attached "Usage and Copyright" page that grants ChristianAnswers.Net users generous rights for putting this page to work in their homes, personal witnessing, churches and schools.

Every effect must have an adequate cause (this is a scientific law for which there are no exceptions).

This is the truth, can you handle it?

Re: Can you handle the Truth?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Why do people get offended when you tell them the truth as it pertains to the Bible?

You make baby Jesus cry.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
Yes I have created a universe. I will be writing a book about it soon enough. Everything in this book that I am writing is true.

Do you happen to have a schematic diagram of the working universe that you have created?

Okay JIA we get it, Christians believe in retarded logic, now stop trolling and annoying everyone here.

JIA, To answer your question above. I am a Buddhist.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Do you happen to have a schematic diagram of the working universe that you have created?

Why are you asking such a scientific question? Just take my word for that it's true, because it is.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
Why are you asking such a scientific question? Just take my word for that it's true, because it is.

Are you asking my to take what you say by faith when you have not demonstrated to me that you deserve it as God has?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Are you asking my to take what you say by faith when you have not demonstrated to me that you deserve it as God has?

Isn't that so unreasonable of him? 😉

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Do you happen to have a schematic diagram of the working universe that you have created?

Does..."god"?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
JIA, To answer your question above. I am a Buddhist.

I know that you are a Buddhist Shakyamunison, I was asking your opinion. Here is what I asked you:

Shakyamunison, if you don't mind I would like to ask you one other question: why do you believe that the Law of Cause and Effect which you admitted that you cannot provide even one exception for (not that it does not exist) is true for everything else in this material world and universe that we live in but seemingly irrelevant and unimportant relative to answering one of the most critical and important questions?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Does..."god"?

Do you? (just kidding Bardock42). God doesn't need one I can walk right outside and see His handiwork. To me this is far superior than any scehamtic diagram.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I know that you are a Buddhist Shakyamunison, I was asking your opinion. Here is what I asked you:

[B]Shakyamunison, if you don't mind I would like to ask you one other question: why do you believe that the Law of Cause and Effect which you admitted that you cannot provide even one exception for (not that it does not exist) is true for everything else in this material world and universe that we live in but seemingly irrelevant and unimportant relative to answering one of the most critical and important questions?

[/B]

May I?

He knows that beliefs are only true to those who believe it, in his case, Buddhists.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I know that you are a Buddhist Shakyamunison, I was asking your opinion. Here is what I asked you:

[B]Shakyamunison, if you don't mind I would like to ask you one other question: why do you believe that the Law of Cause and Effect which you admitted that you cannot provide even one exception for (not that it does not exist) is true for everything else in this material world and universe that we live in but seemingly irrelevant and unimportant relative to answering one of the most critical and important questions?

[/B]

And I answered you! I am a Buddhist. If I didn't believe in the principles of Buddhism, I wouldn't be a Buddhist.

Perhaps if you rephrase the question I might be able to understand your point better.

Originally posted by lord xyz
May I?

He knows that beliefs are only true to those who believe it, in his case, Buddhists.

Correct. 😄

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Do you? (just kidding Bardock42). God doesn't need one I can walk right outside and see His handiwork. To me this is far superior than any scehamtic diagram.
All I see outside is grass trees, roads and bricks.

Obviously, God did it. Duh.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Do you? (just kidding Bardock42). God doesn't need one I can walk right outside and see His handiwork. To me this is far superior than any scehamtic diagram.

Well, why attribute it to God though and not Angry Manatee.

I mean, there might be a creator, possible, but why do you think it is the type that you think it is.

To ask in teh mind of the thread. Can you handle the truth that it might be a different explanation. That you might be wrong. And in what way do you deal with it?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
And I answered you! I am a Buddhist. If I didn't believe in the principles of Buddhism, I wouldn't be a Buddhist.

Perhaps if you rephrase the question I might be able to understand your point better.

Correct. 😄

w00t

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, why attribute it to God though and not Angry Manatee.

I mean, there might be a creator, possible, but why do you think it is the type that you think it is.

To ask in teh mind of the thread. Can you handle the truth that it might be a different explanation. That you might be wrong. And in what way do you deal with it?

I am about to take off but remind me to answer what you have posted.