Can you handle the Truth?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
In other words, you are looking for blind sheep. You have to put aside logic and knowledge and just believe for no reason, and in return you will have a great feeling. However, that feeling is not supernatural, and it is not unique to Christianity.

That was a better response than I had- may I just suggest that you integrate the word "sheeple" in your next response? 😄

I was ready to say something about the efficacy of his prayers, but then I though- what's the use? Your response probably got further than mine would have.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
That was a better response than I had- may I just suggest that you integrate the word "sheeple" in your next response? 😄

I was ready to say something about the efficacy of his prayers, but then I though- what's the use? Your response probably got further than mine would have.

Well, thank you, but I'm afraid that even sheeple would not have worked. It seems that ever sense that Golden Compass incident, I've been on his ignore list. 😂

"Sheeple"...Ohhhhhhhhhh that's gonna be my new favorite word now.

Only cause it's true.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
"Sheeple"...Ohhhhhhhhhh that's gonna be my new favorite word now.

Only cause it's true.

Sheeple?

😕

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Sheeple?

😕

JIA, could you please fire up some biblical evidence for the existence of hell (as a place of everlasting fiery punishment).

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Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
JIA, could you please fire up some biblical evidence for the existence of hell (as a place of everlasting fiery punishment).

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He is not listening.

Jesus talks about hell in most of the new testament. I dont have my bible with me right now, but when i do, ill quote some scriptures for u.

By the way, believeme when i say that im content to let the ultimate truth prevail, so im not really afraid of the truth. After much thought and self-debate, i did come to the conclusion that Jesus IS the son of God and He really DID die for us all.

People just need to be more aware of the fact that certain aspects of science (ie. evolution) have absolutely no proof whatsoever, and that atheists simply CANNOT handle the truth. They cannot accept the fact that God exists even though there is much proof to confirm He is alive.

Forgive the unbelievers, my Lord, for they know not what they do.

Amen.

Wow. I just realized that by replying to the OP, by responding in any way at all, we tacitly accepted the position of arguing against "THE TRUTH." Way to let JIA frame the debate. I can't believe that I didn't see it before. I think that we all just got unintentionally pwnd by jesusisalive. (Framing the issue is a technique taught to republican politicians that is now leaking into common usage. Don't think of an Elephant, as well as Words that Work, by Frank Luntz both talk about the technique.)

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Wow. I just realized that by replying to the OP, by responding in any way at all, we tacitly accepted the position of arguing against "THE TRUTH." Way to let JIA frame the debate. I can't believe that I didn't see it before. I think that we all just got unintentionally pwnd by jesusisalive. (Framing the issue is a technique taught to republican politicians that is now leaking into common usage. Don't think of an Elephant, as well as Words that Work, by Frank Luntz both talk about the technique.)

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Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Wow. I just realized that by replying to the OP, by responding in any way at all, we tacitly accepted the position of arguing against "THE TRUTH."

Well, yeah. You said it yourself. Jesus wolud have had to be a liar if there is no truth behind Christianity. But look at it this way: most liars are cowards, and they would never die, let alone undergo 6 hours of torture, for what they believe in.

If I were to compare the ultimate Christian to the ultimate atheist, I would say it comes down to Martin Luthor King and Marilyn Manson. I leave it to you to decide which of the two most right-thinking people would like to emulate.

Its ok if you want to fool yourself, but dont try to fool others by saying false things about the greatest Man who ever lived.

By the way, I dont like george bush and i dont think he is a real Christian.

Originally posted by Quincy Jones
Well, yeah. You said it yourself. Jesus wolud have had to be a liar if there is no truth behind Christianity. ...

Jesus did not have to be a liar. He simply believed in something that was wrong.

There is so much wrong with this. I don't even know what I should start with. I suppose I will go in chronological order, but for the next post I will try to go in descending order from the most skewed to the least.

Originally posted by Quincy Jones
Well, yeah. You said it yourself. Jesus wolud have had to be a liar if there is no truth behind Christianity. But look at it this way: most liars are cowards, and they would never die, let alone undergo 6 hours of torture, for what they believe in.

Originally posted by Quincy Jones

If I were to compare the ultimate Christian to the ultimate atheist, I would say it comes down to Martin Luthor King and Marilyn Manson. I leave it to you to decide which of the two most right-thinking people would like to emulate.

Originally posted by Quincy Jones

Its ok if you want to fool yourself, but dont try to fool others by saying false things about the greatest Man who ever lived.

Originally posted by Quincy Jones

By the way, I dont like george bush and i dont think he is a real Christian.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Why do people get offended when you tell them the truth as it pertains to the Bible?

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
the truth depends on your point of view. the best truths i can find are found in the bible however.

Then you should keep looking. 😉

Truths are not kept in any one place, IMHO.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
the truth depends on your point of view. the best truths i can find are found in the bible however.

Where else have you looked? Hinduism? Rational Scientific Inquiry? Pastafarianism? Jedi Platitudes? You won't find anything if you don't go search for it!

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
There is so much wrong with this. I don't even know what I should start with. I suppose I will go in chronological order, but for the next post I will try to go in descending order from the most skewed to the least.

Why does he have to be a liar? I presume that you are attempting to use the great C.S. Lewis's "Mad, Bad, or God" routine. The problem with that argument is that it creates a false trichotomy. Is it so impossible that he was simply mistaken?
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These are case studies, and no judgement of the whole can be made on their basis alone. What if I made the comparrison between Thomas Jefferson (who was at most a deist) and one of the countless child molesters in the Catholic Church, or one of the Spanish Inquisitors who killed people in yahwe's name, or one of the Conquistadors, or a Crusader, or... I could go on. That there are bad atheists does not make all atheists bad. Nor does the presence of immoral (by today's standards- lets not get into cultural relativity) Christians make all Christians bad.
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Who was talking about Abraham Lincoln? Besides, I don't think that anyone was being disingenuous here- who was trying to fool anyone?

So no one you like gets to be a real Christian? Congrats- You are now yahwe. Doesn't the Bible say "judge not, lest ye yourself be judged?" (Or something to that effect?) [/B]

If Jesus Christ was simply mistaken, I wouldnt think that He would have made such an impact that all the high priests and government officials of Israel at the time would have wasted any time in persecuting Him. Neither would the 12 disciples have made the decision to folllow Him, let alone the thousands of people, at that time, who had been enlightened by His teachings and wisdom. So, no. A simple mistake is a much too far fetched of an idea.

Here's the thing: Christianity is totally about Christ. Whether a Christian is good or bad, it does not affect the righteousness, truth and eternity of Jesus Christ. A bad Christian is not a Christian at all. George bush declared war on iraq in a very unChrist-like manner, which shows that he isnt a Christian. I dont understand what makes me at fault for bringing to light something so obvious.

As for aetheists being good or bad, I have nothing to say except that it is aetheism itself that is bad. Aetheism is the real propaganda here, the misinformation that is delluding many people on earth that is proclaiming that there is no ultimate authority in the universe.

Originally posted by Quincy Jones
Here's the thing: Christianity is totally about Christ. Whether a Christian is good or bad, it does not affect the righteousness, truth and eternity of Jesus Christ. A bad Christian is not a Christian at all. George bush declared war on iraq in a very unChrist-like manner, which shows that he isnt a Christian.

Every time you lie, cheat or steal, think of something dirty (both in tongue and in image), curse (the manifestation of the verbal thought), partake in impure actions (the manifestation of the iconic thought), grow envious or jealous, succumb to avarice, succumb to rage, harm another human being, etc. you are in essence a "bad-christian". It takes a lot more then simply being "unchrist-like" in manner to make you not a christian.

Your stance is being extremely, and may I say critically, judgmental. As a Christian your arguments should never stem from the fallaciousness of another human being but from Truth itself. If you can not discuss between people of opposing without criticizing characters, maybe you should reconsider you strategy on your "evangelization" of KMC.

Originally posted by Quincy Jones
If Jesus Christ was simply mistaken, I wouldnt think that He would have made such an impact that all the high priests and government officials of Israel at the time would have wasted any time in persecuting Him. Neither would the 12 disciples have made the decision to folllow Him, let alone the thousands of people, at that time, who had been enlightened by His teachings and wisdom. So, no. A simple mistake is a much too far fetched of an idea.

Revolutionary ideas can still be wrong, and popularity does not dictate the truth.

Originally posted by Quincy Jones
Here's the thing: Christianity is totally about Christ. Whether a Christian is good or bad, it does not affect the righteousness, truth and eternity of Jesus Christ. A bad Christian is not a Christian at all. George bush declared war on iraq in a very unChrist-like manner, which shows that he isnt a Christian. I dont understand what makes me at fault for bringing to light something so obvious.

Typical for a Christian to turn on your own.

Originally posted by Quincy Jones
As for aetheists being good or bad, I have nothing to say except that it is aetheism itself that is bad. Aetheism is the real propaganda here, the misinformation that is delluding many people on earth that is proclaiming that there is no ultimate authority in the universe.

Are you so filled with hate for atheists that you can’t bring yourself to spell the word right, or are you just ignorant?