Can you handle the Truth?

Started by Lord Knightfa11432 pages


Pragmatically, even if a child chooses to believe in Creationism despite the facts of evolution, at least they will have a frame of reference available, should they choose to use it, to explain the state of the world. An individual's "belief" (or lack thereof) in evolution is ultimately irrelevant- so long as they do not attempt to explain the universe without it. When Creationism is applied to the world as it surrounds us, it simply does not adequately model reality. "God did it" is nice, but how does that help further our understanding of our world? Simply put: it doesn't.
I'm not really sure where you are going with this. What do you mean when you say that evolution furthers your understanding of our world? Example, please?

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Do you have anything to back up this assertion that evolution is not "scientifically based" (I assure you that it is) "or proven" (It is suggested by all the evidence available to us. (Emphasis mine))

Have you looked at my astrological links or are you ignoring them?

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This would leave our young people with an inability to understand the world in which they live. It is irresponsible and dangerous and I cannot believe that you would rather force future generations back into ignorance than allow your dogma to be challenged.
Ha. ha. ha. So you are stating that young people need evolution to understand the world?
1. that conflicts with previous assertions that evolution does not affect the way one lives one life when I stated that "the mindset of evolution gives one a selfish and humanistic feeling of dog eat dog and survival of the fittest". when i stated this, evolutionists said that evolution is just a scientific theory and has nothing to do with the way they live their lives.
2. This makes evolution sound more like a religion than ever. You are now saying that it will dictate the way people will live their lives.
3. Christianity is more constructive in its guidance.

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To what are you referring?
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lucy, ota benga, pildown man, neanderthal man, to state a few
I assume you mean the 'piltdown man?' It is irrelevant. One man's pursuit of fame does not invalidate the rest of the supporting evidence for evolution. Unless you'd like to argue that without this Evolution is untenable? No? Then it can be ignored without much attention. There are more recently discovered fossils which provide the same support for evolution.

and nebraska man, and heidelberg man and neanderthal man. these are all fraudulent efforts that scientists have made in order to try and advance evolution.

The peppered moth expiriment is still being used in schools and so is nebraska and neanderthal man.

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It is not a religion.
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you have gone a far way in the opposite direction of making that point.
I don't have the time or the patience to follow up every vague criticism you have about the theory; either give me links/keywords to these "problems" or stop talking.
Nebraska man was constructed from a pig's tooth, and Neanderthal man was based on a very old man who died with arthritis.

So... because you have a story about how things work that story is automatically worthy of being called 'fact?' That isn't how it works. You get to think what you want, but you don't get to prevent others from being right.
Did i state it as fact? no, in fact i stated the opposite, i said it was "my truth".

Besides- evolution is not 'dodgy' at all.

well, i have at least 4 counts of fraud further up.

"Accident of gas" made me roll on the floor whilst laughing. At best it shows a propensity towards fart jokes or at worst that you don't know what you're talking about (despite pages upon pages of my attempts to hammer the mechanics of abiogenesis into your skull- which actually led to me learning more...).
I know what you were talking about now.
We were arguing semantics. K, logically yes, survival of the fittest happens within kinds. You were supplying evidence that it does, not that it doesn't.

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Non-profit? That is relevant how? I mean, the government is non-profit, and they take a 'stand' on evolution. The fact is that Creationism is blatantly false (that is, it has no evidence to suggest its truthiness), while evolution has gobs of evidence in favor. There really isn't a comparison.
that's because most christians are too incompetent to actually try to support christianity with "truthiness".


Yes, you would be a fool to take a stance in opposition to the facts. I'm glad that we're settled (since I presume that you don't want to be a fool). You will henceforth cease and desist your erroneous assertions about evolution's lack of scientific credibility and your factually false insistence upon the unscientific nature of the theory itself. You may, of course, continue to believe in fairies and unicorns and giant planet covering shells of ice. I wouldn't presume to tell you what to think- only what is correct. You can be wrong all you'd like. [/B]
i think you misunderstood what i said.

OK. for future reference.
disproving evolution (which is what i'm trying to do here) =/= proving christianity.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
How is not knowing the origin of the universe and where we come from not important? If all of these schools of thought are important and useful but most by your logic can’t be proven confuses me. All most all of astronomy is theories because we have not seen a black hole, gone to another galaxy and so on. Ancient history is not confirmed because we were not there, we have to analyze the data and make a logical conclusion as to what happened. What is “Also, that list is not easily dis proven by basic logic” supposed to mean?
the items on that list are either spoken in a hypthetical voice or not easily dis proven by basic logic. In short, they are portrayed as theories, not as the secret of the universe.

You do not sound it, saying that the Theory of Evolution doesn’t follow the scientific method and saying that evolution happened billions of years ago and that evolution is a religion doesn’t make you sound like you do.

no, i am saying that the process hypothetically takes billions of years and is not treated like a theory but a religion. Watch expelled, in which it shows college professors who have ever offered contrary views to evolution are fired from their jobs and blackmarked for future jobs. If it was a theory instead of a fact it would not be considered insanity to question its validity.

No I am not, I’m saying that it is the most accepted theory because it has stood up to most of the testing process.

uh-huh, and if anyone who decides to question evolution is thrown out of their jobs, then who is testing it?
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/evolution/christian_evolutionists.html
interesting. they can believe what they want to, as can you.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
the items on that list are either spoken in a hypthetical voice or not easily dis proven by basic logic. In short, they are portrayed as theories, not as the secret of the universe.
This sentence doesn’t make any scene. What is portrayed as a theory? How about being specific instead of making sweeping claims and general statements.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
no, i am saying that the process hypothetically takes billions of years and is not treated like a theory but a religion. Watch expelled, in which it shows college professors who have ever offered contrary views to evolution are fired from their jobs and blackmarked for future jobs. If it was a theory instead of a fact it would not be considered insanity to question its validity.
That doesn't prove anything other than their boss is a fanatic, how about all those that do teach something different and are not fired? How about all those those taught evolution and were fired? Your double standard amazes me, you talk about me having a “dogmatic” view. 😆

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
uh-huh, and if anyone who decides to question evolution is thrown out of their jobs, then who is testing it?
Did you actually read this sentence? How about you start to name all the people that have lost their job for questioning the Theory or Evolution before making such wild claims, I think that you are getting confused by loosing their job because they will not teach a required course then them “questioning” evolution.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
interesting. they can believe what they want to, as can you.
OMG you are such a hypocrite, you say that those that support evolution are not religious and those that support evolution are liars and unable to think for themselves.

http://www.expelledthemovie.com/aboutthemovie.php

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
http://www.expelledthemovie.com/aboutthemovie.php
Ben Stein is a moron, there is a thread already chewing up his flawed and laughable theories about ID.

"Both are scientific theories, and the debate is therefore legitimate."

ID is NOT a scientific theory, it can not be tested or duplicated therefore all of there other conclusions based on this would and are flawed. Just by you using this as your own validation contradicts what you have said that the Theory of Evolution is a religion and not a science so if you hold this view to be true then you admit that you contradicted your self. So what is it, a science or a religion?

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Ben Stein is a moron, there is a thread already chewing up his flawed and laughable theories about ID.

"Both are scientific theories, and the debate is therefore legitimate."

ID is [b]NOT a scientific theory, it can not be tested or duplicated therefore all of there other conclusions based on this would and are flawed. Just by you using this as your own validation contradicts what you have said that the Theory of Evolution is a religion and not a science so if you hold this view to be true then you admit that you contradicted your self. So what is it, a science or a religion? [/B]

+ Evolution does not say how life started, therefore, there is no contradiction between evolution and ID as long as you throw the bible and Christianity out the window. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
+ Evolution does not say how life started, therefore, there is no contradiction between evolution and ID as long as you throw the bible and Christianity out the window. 😉

Not really...

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Not really...

Explain please...

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Ben Stein is a moron, there is a thread already chewing up his flawed and laughable theories about ID.

nice. Pure bashing.

"Both are scientific theories, and the debate is therefore legitimate."

truth.

ID is [b]NOT
a scientific theory, it can not be tested or duplicated therefore all of there other conclusions based on this would and are flawed. Just by you using this as your own validation contradicts what you have said that the Theory of Evolution is a religion and not a science so if you hold this view to be true then you admit that you contradicted your self. So what is it, a science or a religion? [/B]
it can to. have you ever intelligently designed something? I didn't think so. I love how you have ignored my nasa charts and my polonium halos inside of granite link, as well.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Explain please...

Well, why don't you explain how the Bible and Evolution cannot go together...you made the statement, back it up.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Well, why don't you explain how the Bible and Evolution cannot go together...you made the statement, back it up.

The bible calculates the age of the Earth to be ~6,000 years old. Evolution requires a lot, lot more time.

The Bible states that god made man as he is today, but evolution says we have changed over time. Life on Earth started as a singled organism.

Now your turn...

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
nice. Pure bashing.
I have seen his debates and his proposal that it follows the scientific method, which it does not. I used to have a lot of respect for Ben until he started this nonsense.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
truth.
No it is not.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
it can to. have you ever intelligently designed something? I didn't think so. I love how you have ignored my nasa charts and my polonium halos inside of granite link, as well.
Please explain how you can test that “God did it”? Nice how you skip over the fact that you are contradicting yourself by saying that it is now a science when you are the one that started this by saying that it is not a science and is a religion. Explain that. 😉

As for you question yes I have, I do it on a daily basis. So what about your links, so far that doesn’t support what you are saying. You keep making unfounded statements based off of limited information such as people living for a millennia, the Earth spinning so fast that it couldn’t support life and crap like that. Please explain how the orbital variations proves that they Earth is not over 100,000 years old?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The bible calculates the age of the Earth to be ~6,000 years old. Evolution requires a lot, lot more time.

The Bible states that god made man as he is today, but evolution says we have changed over time. Life on Earth started as a singled organism.

Now your turn...

No it doesn't.

No it doesn't.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
No it doesn't.

No it doesn't.

Wow! Your in depth explanation has convinced me. 🙄 You are going to have to do better then the childish approach.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Wow! Your in depth explanation has convinced me. 🙄 You are going to have to do better then the childish approach.

Why...you made a statement, it was a lie.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Why...you made a statement, it was a lie.

I already gave you two examples that you seem to not be able to debate against.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I already gave you two examples that you seem to not be able to debate against.

What examples? You just made a statement...no evidence, just a statement...i refuted the statement with equal evidence to what you provided.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
What examples? You just made a statement...no evidence, just a statement...i refuted the statement with equal evidence to what you provided.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The bible calculates the age of the Earth to be ~6,000 years old. Evolution requires a lot, lot more time.

The Bible states that god made man as he is today, but evolution says we have changed over time. Life on Earth started as a singled organism.

Now your turn...

🙄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
🙄

The Bible says 54 men in every generation have the power to turn the moon into cheese.

(See what I did there?)

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
The Bible says 54 men in every generation have the power to turn the moon into cheese.

(See what I did there?)

They better snap to it because I want some cheese damit 😠