First off, bene was not already dead by the time Cin showed up as Anakin was still choking the shit out that b!tch.
While Vader fought Drallig with one hand, he used his other hand to Force-choke Bene, killing her. Drallig and Whie were eventually killed by Vader as well. Serra Keto, who Bene had also trained with in the past, was also killed by Vader, becoming another victim of the Great Jedi Purge. "
From the link you provided, it seems as though Vader killed 4 at that time.
Cin is arguably better that Vos or Aalya, and was disposed of easily while fighting the others.
Anakin takes this qyite easily.
Also, Maul is NOT even with Dooku is saber abilities. He might be and is more fierce, but as skilled, no way
Dooku was one the absolute best swordsman in the galaxy of all time.
TPM OB1 was doing pretty good against Maul (although he should have lost)
and Dooku pwned AOTC and ROTS OB1 with relative ease (granted the force gave him that advantage in ROTS, although he did kick the shit out of him). Dooku pwns Maul.
A double bladed lightsaber isn't as maneuverable as a single, thus leaving more openings, despite not have to theoretically move your saber much to block...
Man, if only Master Vos was here maybe Vos's team would have a little more support... 🙁
I always make sense.
Actually, Maul beat Kenobi a lot quicker than Dooku beat AOTC Kenobi, so your point is moot.Maul and the TPM Kenobi were actually close though, they were both tired, and Maul did win, but Kenobi busted his saber in half and kicked him, Dooku in AOTC was toying with Kenobi, and in ROTS actually beat him easier, its not like though both did the same against Kenobi, especially since Maul was fighting a padawan, and Dooku the master.
I do agree it would be somewhat of a fight, but i can not see any way that Vos and Aayla could take Vader,pre suit, down at all.
Maul and the TPM Kenobi were actually close though, they were both tired, and Maul did win, but Kenobi busted his saber in half and kicked him, Dooku in AOTC was toying with Kenobi, and in ROTS actually beat him easier, its not like though both did the same against Kenobi, especially since Maul was fighting a padawan, and Dooku the master.
I think Dooku can beat AOTC Obiwan faster than Maul beat TPM Obiwan.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Then why didn't he? Time the duels - AOTC Kenobi lasts longer against Dooku than TPM Kenobi lasts against maul.
Proof that Dooku was toying with AOTC Kenobi? And at any rate, Maul beat TPM kenobi as fast as Kenobi beat ROTS grievous
are you seriously try to argue that the TPM Kenobi/Maul fight, when Kenobi was padawan, was the same as the fight in AOTC, who cares how many seconds it lasted, Kenobi/Maul was close, Dooku completly was toying with Kenobi, proof, just go watch the movie. And Kenobi in AOTC was 10 years older. DS come on man, you know Dooku completly outmatched Kenobi.
Originally posted by darthsith19pretty much and dead are two different things. One's alive, one's dead. How do you know she wasn't helping Cin?
Pretty much she was already dead, though, as with Anakin's mechanical hand crushing her neck she was as good as dead, and she wasn't helping Cin any.
Originally posted by darthsith19You provided the link! Prove they were dead already with the two seconds we see in the security hologram.
Whatever that's from, it's bs since Whie was kileld before Cin even started fighting Vader. Let alone before Bene died.
Originally posted by darthsith19Prove it. He's holding one and dueling Cin at the same time...last i checked 1 + 1=2...
No, he attacked the [b]three Jedi (Whie, Bene, and Cin). Before Cin and Bene even got to him, he struck a surprised Whie down. Bene got to him next, clashed blades with him two or three times, then he grabbed her neck with his mechanical hand and started to fight Cin, holding his saber in his other hand. So really he never fights more than one at a time. [/B]
Originally posted by darthsith19Prove he was fighting alone. Well of course you have to take the choked Jedi out of the equation somehow.
He never fought Vader alongside anybody else, and there's no proof that it was easy at all.
Originally posted by darthsith19Where did you pull 6 times from? AOTC Anakin isn't only half of ROTS Anakin's power (that was taunting). Noobish? Making false assertions is noobish.
So what is he, six times stronger than Maul? By that logic, AOTC Anakin, who is half as strong as ROTS Anakin or closer, could beat Vos in a one on one. Bad logic there, buddy, you might want to reconsider Anakin killed them both at once easily. If you want to say that he wins, okay, but saying that it's easy is just noobish.
Originally posted by darthsith19Statement with Sidious was taken out of context. If you recall right after that Sidious traced Maul's outline with is saber so if he moved an inch he'd be dead. Doesn't sound too equal to me, or even close. A>B>C's don't work. Styles and circumstances play a big part in duels, so if someone was "supposed" to be better than Yoda, it doesn't mean they know how to use it effectively. He was better than both QGJ and OB1, and by your logic, Maul could beat Mace...noobish? Hmm...
He nearly killed Sidious in a saber fight, bested Anoon Bondara, who is supposed to have better saber skills than Yoda, and, while not at full strength, was on par with someone nearly even with Mace Windu and his padawan 2 on 1. Dooku did what again to make better than Maul with sabers?
Originally posted by darthsith19LOL, prove that maul was the # 3 or 4 duelist in the galaxy. Dooku was still a Jedi and still the temple's best student, and one of the best duelists...he outclasses Maul here, sorry. Fanboyism won't help here.
One of, yes, lets see... in AOTC he was third, behind Mace, Yoda and Sidious. In ROTS he was fourth after those 3 as well as Anakin. In his era Maul was #3 or #4, too. So Maul was one of the absolute best swordsmen in the galaxy of all time, too. Oh, and I was just saying at the time they lived, there are others who could beat them, too, Kas'im, Kun, Tulak Hord, Bane and possibly Ulic could all beat either of them, as well.
Originally posted by darthsith19No he didn't. Maul died. And Dooku still disposed of him quicker.
Actually, Maul beat Kenobi a lot quicker than Dooku beat AOTC Kenobi, so your point is moot.
Originally posted by darthsith19Dooku's style would make it easy to sidestep a berserk Maul, and considering he's leagues above Maul in the force, he could easily pull off a force attack.
Both lasted as long or longer than TPM Kenobi lasted against Maul. Also, Maul would be consistently on Dooku, thus never giving Dooku a chance to use the Force, thus pushing it into a hell of a fight for Dooku. You need to realise that Kenobi isn't able to do this as his style if completely defensive.
Originally posted by darthsith19He prefers the dbl blades, hence why he has it. Even if he used on, that'd make it easier for Dooku to find an opening resulting in Maul losing even quicker.
And who the hell ever said that Maul wasn't allowed to use a single-blade as he did during his fight with Qui-Gon on Tatooine.
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Originally posted by darthsith19
an, if only Master Vos was here maybe Vos's team would have a little more support... 🙁
Originally posted by darthsith19ditto!!!
hysterical
How to count the time of the fight between Maul & Obi?
Also, Dooku was toying Obiwan. And Dooku has wasted some time to talk to Obi, if he try his best, Obi can die in less than 20 seconds.
"Master Kenobi, you disappointed me, Yoda...", "Surely you can do better..."
I would say there was 80% that Dooku was toying Obiwan.
Dooku hadn't use the force against Kenobi too.
are you seriously try to argue that the TPM Kenobi/Maul fight, when Kenobi was padawan, was the same as the fight in AOTC, who cares how many seconds it lasted, Kenobi/Maul was close, Dooku completly was toying with Kenobi, proof, just go watch the movie. And Kenobi in AOTC was 10 years older. DS come on man, you know Dooku completly outmatched Kenobi.
pretty much and dead are two different things. One's alive, one's dead. How do you know she wasn't helping Cin?
You provided the link! Prove they were dead already with the two seconds we see in the security hologram.
Prove it. He's holding one and dueling Cin at the same time...last i checked 1 + 1=2...
Where did you pull 6 times from? AOTC Anakin isn't only half of ROTS Anakin's power (that was taunting). Noobish? Making false assertions is noobish.
Statement with Sidious was taken out of context. If you recall right after that Sidious traced Maul's outline with is saber so if he moved an inch he'd be dead. Doesn't sound too equal to me, or even close. A>B>C's don't work. Styles and circumstances play a big part in duels, so if someone was "supposed" to be better than Yoda, it doesn't mean they know how to use it effectively. He was better than both QGJ and OB1, and by your logic, Maul could beat Mace...noobish? Hmm...
LOL, prove that maul was the # 3 or 4 duelist in the galaxy. Dooku was still a Jedi and still the temple's best student, and one of the best duelists...he outclasses Maul here, sorry. Fanboyism won't help here.
No he didn't. Maul died. And Dooku still disposed of him quicker.
Dooku's style would make it easy to sidestep a berserk Maul, and considering he's leagues above Maul in the force, he could easily pull off a force attack.
He prefers the dbl blades, hence why he has it. Even if he used on, that'd make it easier for Dooku to find an opening resulting in Maul losing even quicker.
wouldn't help this cause.
ditto!!!
When did Maul beat Obiwan? Did Maul kill him?
"Master Kenobi, you disappointed me, Yoda...", "Surely you can do better..." When someone says like that, he is probably toying with his opponent. I am not saying 100% sure, but Dooku was probably toying him. Also, what Dooku said to Anakin in ROTS is totally different, he didn't say those stomp words to Anakin.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Actually, Maul beat Kenobi a lot quicker than Dooku beat AOTC Kenobi, so your point is moot. Both lasted as long or longer than TPM Kenobi lasted against Maul.
First of all, you contradict yourself. How could Darth Tyranus have beaten Obi-Wan in AotC in a longer amount of time, but according to your very next point, they "both lasted as long or longer"? This could simply be due to the fact you don't know how to properly formulate sentences, but nonetheless, the wording would still be incorrect.
Secondly, that's just a blatant lie. If you want to get technical, Darth Maul took thirty five seconds to defeat Obi-Wan, from the first lightsaber clash after the energy rays allowed passage to the saberlock (I ended the count before Kenobi is force pushed, mind you). Now, in AotC, Tyranus cuts Obi-Wan's arm and leg (which ended the duel, basically) thirty seconds after the initial blow is thrown (and not counting the pause in their duel when Dooku is taunting him). And that's only when Tyranus isn't going all out the during the initial part of the duel. So, you're wrong there.
Also, I laughed out loud at "a lot quicker", considering a smaller amount of time elapsed.
As well, in RotS, excluding things that shouldn't actually be included (like the talking, which takes up ten seconds, and Obi-Wan being knocked out of the fight - twenty five seconds), the battle lasted seventeen seconds roughly. Again, you're also wrong here. Even if you want to include the talking for whatever purpose, then it still is eight or so seconds under the time limit of the duel in TPM. As there's absolutely no reason to count when Obi-Wan gets taken out of the fight for the first time, since he wasn't dueling.
For reference,
The duel lasts from 4:08 until 4:43 (according to where I fairly ended the time). Which amounts to thirty five seconds for the entirety.
2. Obi-Wan vs. Count Dooku (AotC):
Firstly, they clash lightsabers at :44 and end at :49 (amounting to five seconds). Secondly, the remainder of the duel lasts from :55 until 1:20. Which, all together, only makes thirty seconds.
3. Anakin and Obi-Wan vs. Count Dooku (RotS):
The first pass of blades starts at :03 and ends at :08 (five seconds). The second begins at :18 and stops at :24 (six seconds). The conclusion of the first half of the duel with Obi-Wan depends upon where you choose to believe he's out of the fight. He engages Count Dooku a third time at :39, and hits the railing of the platform and goes down at :45, which brings the total to seventeen seconds. Even if you want to push the limit until he's entirely crushed, then it's only twenty three seconds.
Originally posted by darthsith19Advent already addressed this. Thanks for playing though.
Stop watch, or your dvd player timer. Or watch it and time it
here.
Originally posted by darthsith19Already addressed.
This is true, but still, Maul took out TPM Kenobi in a saber-only duel faster than Dooku took out AOTC Kenobi in a saber-only duel, and I'd put TPM Kenobi over AOTC Kenobi with lightsabers if TPM Kenobi is using the Dark Side.
Originally posted by darthsith19
So? I restated what I originally said, big deal. And she was just standing there with a hand as strong as a clamp over her neck, mind telling me how, in that position, she could have helped Cin?
Originally posted by darthsith19only those two or three seconds worth, not before or after.
Oh, my bad, Wookieepedia was wrong, then. Watch the film where the fight takes place, it goes by very quickly, but if you watch it in play-by-play mode or super slow motion you can actually see what happens surprisingly well.
Originally posted by darthsith19Well as you said above your opinion isn't proof nor does it mean shit when given without proof.
It's in the movie. Play the hologram fight scene in slow-mo, you can see what happens to the point where Cin joins the duel. Yes, 1 + 1 does equal 2, but he never actually fought Bene and Cin 2 on 1, by the time Cin and Vader fought Vader was done fighting Bene, and was simply squeezing the last bit of life out of her. Maybe it's just me, but I don't count grabbing someone's neck with a hand as strong as a clamp and squeezing it a fight.
Originally posted by darthsith19Who the hell is talking about AOTC Anakin above Vos, noob? Go reread.
Timed them with a stopwatch. Yeah, you're right, AOTC Anakiun is probably more than 50% of ROTS Anakin, so he could take out Vos, right? And putting AOTC Anakin above Vos is noobish.
Originally posted by darthsith19He stopped moving because he stared tracing him. Who did Maul beat that was the best swordsman? You'd have to prove he's superior to Yoda.
Oh wow, he traced Maul's figure with his saber while Maul wasn't fighting him, what's that got to do with the actual fight? So if NJO Luke met TPM Sidious and stood there and let Sidious outline his figure with his saber, then NJO Luke would be below Sidious, even if right after that NJO Luke ass raped Sidious? No, lol, the fight's what counts, not something unreleated to the fight which happens later. And even if abc doesn't always work, Maul still beat the best swordsman in the entire Jedi Order. And yes, Maul is above TPM Mace. How is that noobish, TPM Mace is good but quite a ways behind AOTC and ROTS Mace, who, btw, would beat Maul.
Originally posted by darthsith19LOL, you think I'm a Dooku fanboy?! Have you ever seen my posts regarding Dooku? I hate Dooku. Nice attempt at misdirection, tool. That shit don't work on me.
Lets see... Maul was behind Sidious, as he nearly beat him in a duel, but didn't. Beat Anoon Bondara, who is the strongest Jedi with a blade. Puts him at #2, but to be more fair I put him at #3 since it seems like Yoda could beat him even though he did beat Anoon Bondara, who is above Yoda (supposedly). Your right, your Dooku fanboyism won't help here.
Originally posted by darthsith19Again, thanks Advent.
Yes, Maul died, but he still [b]defeated Kenobi, prior to his death, which happened later, time the friggin' duels yourself if you don't believe me. Maul took out Kenobi faster than Dooku took out Kenobi.[/B]
Originally posted by darthsith19Are you seriously comparing Maul to any of these guys? Wow dude, thats pretty lame...😆
Just like he side-stopped a beserk ROTS Anakin? A crazy Yoda? Obsession Mace? Right... 😆
Originally posted by darthsith19You see him do it once and thats bad logic on my part? Point that shit at yourself. LOGICALLY, if he preferred a single blade, would he build a DOUBLE (since you don't seem to like my abbreviation) bladed lightsaber? You are the most logical person here.
If he prefers "dbl" blades, then why did he use a single blade against a single opponent (Jinn) on Tatooine? Bad logic there, buddy.
Originally posted by darthsith19You just made your own point virtually moot. Anakin destroyed a duelist far better than Vos, and made all his experience "a joke", and what the fcuk does luck have to do with it? That's right, nothing.
It would still make kmc less anti-Vos. You guys are forgetting that Quinlan Vos is one of the strongest Jeid in the ROTS Order, has more dueling experience than almost any other Jedi, is extremely lucky, beating both Sora and Volfe Karkko, and would give Anakin an okay fight by himself. Not a good fight, but okay.
Originally posted by darthsith19Yes, laughing at him...
I assume you mean that you are also laughing at LORDSIDIOUS01, and not me because you don't think that I make sense. 😐