Originally posted by Lana
Are you ****ing kidding me?Normally I completely stay out of this forum, but stupidity like this isn't just dumb, it's downright insulting and offensive.
Not to mention is that completely insulting to people who truly DO have /DID, but your entire post is downright wrong. People cannot CHOOSE which personality is prevelant, or just change at the snap of a finger. Nor is it something that you can simply instill in someone. Hypnotizing someone is NOT the same as giving them MPD/DID.
Holy crap. Do some research from a credible source for a change. I don't think it'd kill you.
when that person has been deliberatly given this disorder by satanic cults. then you have to wonder dont you.
get off your high horse. and do some research of your own.
its real and its happening. i have seen it happening to a young girl who has this disorder. and evidence suggested satanic activity.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/mind_cnt.htm
Along with memories of Satanic rituals, many SRA survivors recall being subjected to programming sessions by the cult; this lead to mind control by the cult. The Los Angeles County Task Force on Ritual Abuse 2 described programming as follows:"Mind control is the cornerstone of ritual abuse, the key element in the subjugation and silencing of its victims. Victims of ritual abuse are subjected to a rigorously applied system of mind control designed to rob them of their sense of free will and to impose upon them the will of the cult and its leaders."
Elements of mind control programming are often believed to include:
bullet A Satanic (or similar) religious cult, sometimes involved in criminal activities. Alternatively, a secret federal government agency or men's fraternal organization is involved.
bullet The cult contains many civic leaders: local government office holders, police, judges, doctors, Christian clergy, etc. Many members attend Christian churches on Sunday and put on Satanic robes at other times.
bullet The cult needs to develop robot-like behavior in children so that when they mature, they will take over the organization of the group and continue the abuse into the next generation.
bullet The cult tests children at a young age. Those who are have an average or low ability to dissociate are killed in ritual sacrifices; those who can readily dissociate are retained for programming
bullet By a highly sophisticated program of physical, emotional and sexual abuse, the children are taught to dissociate. When they are unable to handle the pain and terror, their mind drifts elsewhere to a safe place. They become able to block out the abuse. Eventually, the dissociation becomes so complete that multiple personalities are created. These alternative personalities (or alters) are a natural defense mechanism within the brain of a child when they are confronted with more abuse than they can handle. Each alter adsorbs some of the memories of the abuse. The child will eventually have a single dominant personality which is in control most of the time, and is unaware of the programming and of the presence of the alters. However, control can be transferred to an alter for intervals of time.
bullet These alters are programmed to perform certain specific functions. For example:
bullet return the survivor to the cult upon command for further abuse or programming
bullet commit suicide if the survivor discloses information that might threaten the safety and security of the cult
bullet disrupt therapy, through thought-stealing, mind scrambling, emotional outbursts or distancing from the therapist
bullet burn, cut or otherwise mutilate the body
bullet send status reports back to the cult, etc.Neswald et al lists a number of typical ritual abuse programs. 3
bullet Along with alter programming, certain triggers are established that will cause a particular alter to emerge and perform their pre-programmed function. These triggers may be a word, sound, color, picture, time, date, hand sign, etc., or a combination of events. Exorcist and fundamentalist Christian Bob Larson writes: "For example, and [sic] SRA survivor may be programmed so that every time he sees the color red a self-mutilating alter will come out and cut the body." 4
bullet As part of its programming, the child is required to kill animals and/or infants, and to feel guilt for the murder. This reinforces their low self-image and feelings of hopelessness and lack of control and power.
bullet As an adult, the survivor is unaware of the programming and SRA. They do not realize that they are suffering from Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) or Dissociative Identify Disorder (DID). Recollections of abuse are locked up in the alters' memories.
bullet One of her alters is recalled periodically by the cult for further abuse and programming. This often occurs on "call-back" years, at ages 27, 30, 33 etc. when the survivor feels that she must either return or kill herself. She might be recalled for an entire weekend of abuse; on Monday morning her memories are a complete blank, although her physical condition would be dreadful.
bullet A few adults are driven by emotional problems to seek therapy. Under hypnosis and other suggestive treatments, awareness of the alters and of the cult abuse and programming can emerge. Suicide ideation and successful suicides are relatively common among individuals recovering memory of SRA and of programming.
Originally posted by Captain REX
And I'm saying you're insane. Freedom of expression and all. I thought you were a bit odd before, but that post proves it; you've lost your goddamn mind!
yeh im insane. thanks doctor, please dont throw away the key. your an idiot who hasnt a clue what is going on in your world. i thought you were a bit stupid before, but you keep posting little insults just proves it. you've lost your goddamn soul.
Get off your conspiracy websites and grow some brain cells, Deano.
1. Lana is studying to become a ****ing psychologist. She's done more REAL research that WASN'T on your stupid conspiracy websites than you've done in your entire life!
2. Nobody, not even the Buddhists, are going to tolerate Satanists. And you know what's funny? I have some Satanic friends, and they're not in a cult trying to take over the world by brainwashing random people who don't matter whatsoever to anything.
3. You're insane! That's all there is to it. Your theories are all completely bonkers and all come from websites which are owned by equally insane people. I'm pretty sure I haven't lost my soul; so far, I have yet to see that the government has a Soul Sucker 3000 lying around. I've plenty clue what's going on; you've got plenty clue that there HAS to be more than what's going on, which is just paranoid to an extreme.
Originally posted by Deano
when that person has been deliberatly given this disorder by satanic cults. then you have to wonder dont you.get off your high horse. and do some research of your own.
its real and its happening. i have seen it happening to a young girl who has this disorder. and evidence suggested satanic activity.
Do some research of my own?
I can guarantee that my knowledge in that subject trumps anything you can claim to have and any research you've done.
You cannot deliberately give someone a disorder like this and it is NOT something that someone can control; if that was possible it'd mean we'd know enough about it to cure it. What you are thinking of is hypnotism which is drastically different.
with that post you both have proved you know nothing. thank you
either discuss properly spartan who get the **** out of the thread. you know nothing.
and lana:
there are thousands or tens of thousands of people who have recovered memories of having been programmed in cults. Many have been diagnosed as suffering from MPD/DID
and yes you can give someone a disorder like this. they aint gonna tell you are they?
what do you want the sick people in power to do? come out and say
''well yes we have many mind control techniques we apply to people, one of our methods is torturing a person and putting them under extreme mental stress. some include:
physical abuse: starvation, thirst, pain, drugs, exhaustion, physical isolation, sexual abuse, disorienting bright lights.
emotional abuse: the creation of moods of terror, guilt, shame, emotional isolation and rage.
cognitive abuse: being kept in a state of ignorance, confusion; being taught that God has abandoned them and that Satan is in control
yeh thats called ****ing satanic. and it happens. you can believe otherwise.
i suggest you read cathy o brians book 'transformation of america' . she was abused like this. if you want to. you can remain ignorant if you want.
"Cathy O’Brien is the only vocal and recovered survivor of the Central Intelligence Agency’s MKULTRA Project Monarch mind control operation"
take your head out the fukin sand.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/mind_cnt.htm
It is an account in Cathy’s own words of what happened to her child, Kelly, again and again:“Kelly became violently physically ill after her induction into George Bush’s “Neighborhood” and from every sexual encounter she had with him thereafter. She ran 104-6 degree temperatures, vomited and endured
immobilising headaches for an average of three days (as is consistent
with high voltage trauma). These were the only tell-tale evidences aside
from the scarring burns left on her skin. Houston forbade me to call a
doctor and Kelly forbade me to comfort her pitifully complaining that her head “hurt too bad even to move.” And she did not move for hours on end. Kelly often complained of severe kidney pain, and her rectum usually bled for a day or two after Bush sexually abused her. My own mind-control victimisation rendered me unable to help or protect her. Seeing my child in such horrible condition drove my own wedge of insanity in deeper perpetuating my total inability to affect her needs until our rescue by Mark Phillips in 1988.“Kelly’s bleeding rectum was but one of many physical indicators of George Bush’s paedophile perversions. I have overheard him speak
blatantly of his sexual abuse of her on many occasions. He used this and threats to her life to ‘pull my strings’ and control me. The psychological ramifications of being raped by a paedophile president are mind-shattering enough, but reportedly Bush further reinforced his traumas to Kelly’s mind with sophisticated NASA electronic and drug mind-control devices. Bush also instilled the ‘Who ya gonna call?’ and ‘I’ll be watching you’ binds on Kelly, further reinforcing her sense of helplessness. The systematic tortures and traumas I endured as a child now seem trite in comparison to the brutal physical and psychological devastation that George Bush inflicted on my daughter”51
why do we never hear of these satanic activitys? and i know there are many other cases.
its because they dont want you to know about it because they want you in the dark! haha funny that isnt it
fuking good! ignore me please so i dotn have to reply to any more of your shit. cheers
''Those who have suffered and continue to suffer from these people, or rather the consciousness that possesses them, clearly need our love in enormous abundance. But so, too, do those responsible. It is the absence of love in their hearts that allows them to do it. Of course, what they do must be exposed and they must take the karmic consequences of their actions.
To simply hurl abuse and hatred at those involved would be an easy way to pass our responsibility for all this to someone else, to externalise that responsibility instead of looking at ourselves. It is no good anyone abdicating their responsibility for what has happened to Cathy O’Brien and is still happening to her daughter, Kelly, and millions of others all over this planet. People like Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Ford, Trudeau, Mulroney, and Cheney may be among the physical perpetrators of these horrors, but they can only go on controlling this world and treating our fellow men, women, and children, in this astonishing manner because humanity has given its mind away and allowed the few to run the show. YOU are responsible, also, and so is everyone, particularly those who have handed over their own infinite power to such an extent that they have become two-legged sheep in the bewildered herd. If humanity will learn the lessons of all this and take their power back, then the people I name in my books will, in terms of collective human evolution, have done everyone a favour by showing so, so clearly, what happens when you concede your right to be you.''
or you can just ignore it and pretend its just a fairytale. many in this thread choose to ignore the reality and it makes me weap inside. you make me sick
there are thousands or tens of thousands of people who have recovered memories of having been programmed in cults. Many have been diagnosed as suffering from MPD/DIDand yes you can give someone a disorder like this. they aint gonna tell you are they?
Are you telling me that the government is able to control every single scientific and psychological study done in the world?
Programming memories into someone is NOT giving them MPD/DID. That is hypnotism, which isn't even something that fully works. There is a difference. Understand this, please.
And did the thought ever cross your mind that maybe, just maybe, the people who claimed to be programmed by cults were told to say that to further the agenda of conspiracy theorists?
I mean, if the government is supposedly brainwashing people, who's to say that those who claim that's happening haven't been "brainwashed" to say that?
oh and alittle more from cathys book:
In the UK, as in America, some of the best known names in the country are involved. She remembers vividly (God, the thought of it) being laid
on her back on the floor of a church as a screaming boy, no more than six, was being held by the hair above her while a man who would later
become a top politician in Northern Ireland had anal sex with him. When it was over, a knife was produced to cut the boy’s throat and the blood poured over her. “I remember this man’s eyes” she told me “The coldness of his eyes I will never forget”. He prefers boys to girls, she said. Why am I thinking of the Kincora Boys Home in Belfast as I write this? On more than one occasion, she says, she was brutally raped by another man who has been a big name in United Kingdom politics for decades. This man, she says, used to hold her naked body to him by using hooks inserted into her flesh at the hips. She was just a little girl when this was happening. I know this is hard to read and I was numb for days when I heard all this, but it’s time to be adult and know what is really going on in the world, because if we don’t this will continue.
Within days of speaking to me, the woman was grabbed off the street
and bungled into a van by six Satanists. A syringe was held to her throat as she was warned to stop talking to that “dangerous prat” Icke and to
stop naming names. They threatened her life and those of her children
if she continued. She was also told that if she didn’t keep quiet, the family dog would be taken and “posted back to you in pieces”. Nice people. These Satanists had better understand the following: I know the names of the two famous politicians and I have the woman’s testimony on tape. Copies of this are in the possession of many different people and if anyone even breathes heavily on her, myself, or any person connected with us, those tapes will be sent to scores of different people in the media and elsewhere immediately, and I will name them publicly myself. I am waiting for a few more confirmations from others abused by these men and, if I get them, I will name the names anyway. If you know anything, contact me.
What this woman and others have told me would defy belief if it were not coming from so many different, unconnected, sources and were not the stories across the world telling the same basic tale, even down to the detail of the rituals and mind programming techniques. The children and the traumatised adults they become have nowhere to turn. Their stories are so fantastic that few believe them and they are frightened of going to the police because they know that the Satanic network includes top police officers, judges, civil servants, media people, politicians, and many others who control our “free” society. Questions like “Who are you going to tell” and “Where are you going to run are used to break the spirit of people. Their sense of hopelessness makes them think there is nothing they can do to seek justice, so they give up and stop trying. Also, as so many of them have said, they are drugged and programmed to take part themselves in the ritual murder and torture of other children. This is videoed and played to them when they are back in a conscious state. They are so horrified at what they have done and so terrified of the consequences that they dare not speak to the authorities. The stories of the people I’ve talked to and the accounts of others I have read tell of events that are beyond comprehension, or, at least, they would be if they were not actually happening. Drinking blood, eating the flesh of dead bodies, thousands of adults and children buried in deep graves, the murder of people on camera for the so called “snuff” videos, the story is just appalling.
One mother told a television documentary in the Dispatches series on Channel Four in Britain of how she was forced to place her new born
baby on a Satanic altar and push a knife through its heart. A Satanist
then had sex with the baby’s dead body. This is happening in your
country now!
The Cult of the All Seeing Eye can continue with its global dictatorship in all its grotesque forms because most people can’t be bothered about what is going on in the world and who is controlling their lives and those of their children. They are so pressured by debt and fear that they keep their heads down and their eyes closed; or they are more concerned about the price of beer, the latest “scandal” on the television soaps, or how their soccer team is doing. Michael Aquino, the All Seeing Eye representative at the heart of the US Government’s psychological warfare against its own population, once told Cathy O’Brien: “95% of the people want to be led by the other 5% and the 95% do not want to know what is really going on in government”. How sad that this is actually true.''
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now are you going to ignore this like rex has decided to do? or are you going to stand up and be counted. its easy to run like scared little children. then to face the horrors of what really is happening in life.
but we have to face it. because one day, it might be your child thats abducted.
Originally posted by Lana
Are you telling me that the government is able to control every single scientific and psychological study done in the world?Programming memories into someone is NOT giving them MPD/DID. That is hypnotism, which isn't even something that fully works. There is a difference. Understand this, please.
And did the thought ever cross your mind that maybe, just maybe, the people who claimed to be programmed by cults were told to say that to further the agenda of conspiracy theorists?
I mean, if the government is supposedly brainwashing people, who's to say that those who claim that's happening haven't been "brainwashed" to say that?
you can program memorys if you mentally **** that person up. now is any real mainstream scientist going to be that evil to a person? no, so how can they find out how it works?
i doubt that this is anything to do with furthering the agenda of conspiracy theorists. because there are 100's of other cases else where which suggest a more evil agenda.
and you also have to understand that its not everyone in the government that has this knowledge. the majority do not. the majority dont even know what the hell is going on. im talking about a handful of people at the top of the pyramid of control, who dictate the orders. i dont even think george bush knows whats going on.
anythin is possible lana. but to dismiss everything is dangerous. take the idiot captain rex above. thats what he does when someone challenges his beliefs. you have to look at all sides of the story and come to the conclusion that feels right to you.
you rushed into the thread and went ballistic without looking at any of the facts. theres a lot to know and i hope you choose the right path. dont be like the rest
why? for posting information? you moron.
thanks for completely ignoring everythng posted and thanks for contriubting nothing.
we need more of you around
''More recently, new evidence points to the continuous use of so-called trauma-based programming techniques to accomplish the same goal. This includes the deliberate induction of Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) in involuntary human subjects - in essence, human guinea pigs.
MPD has been reclassified by the American Psychiatric Association as Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID). The psychiatrists' bible, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-IV, p. 487), characterises it by:
A. The presence of two or more distinct personality states;
B. At least two of these identities or personality states recurrently take control of the person's behaviour;
C. Inability to recall important personal information that is too extensive to be explained by ordinary forgetfulness;
D. The disturbance is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance or a general medical condition.
No matter what name is assigned to the problem, however, to create this condition by conscious intent is an atrocity so depraved that trauma-based mind-control programming remains the de facto Secret Holocaust of the 20th century. Known as the Monarch Project, it has been verified and corroborated by numerous survivors like Cathy O'Brien, author of TranceFormation of America, Brice Taylor, author of Starshine, and K. Sullivan, author of MK. No paper trail has been found which leads from the CIA's MKULTRA program to the Monarch Project - a catchword for mind control which involves US military, CIA, NASA and other government agencies.
The Franklin Cover-up, attorney John W. DeCamp's groundbreaking book about high-level pedophilia, also describes the sordid details of Monarch. "Drugs are not the deepest level of government-sponsored evil," he writes. "I think the lowest level of Hell is reserved for those who conjured up and carried out the 'Monarch Project'. 'Monarch' refers to young people in America who were victims of mind-control experiments run either by US government agencies such as CIA or military intelligence agencies."
DeCamp's client, Monarch abuse survivor Paul Bonacci, has a story which parallels the victimology of O'Brien, Taylor and Sullivan - an extensive cross-corroboration of perpetrators and their methodology. It's simply "the production of a horde of children in whom the soul is crushed, who would spy, whore, kill and commit suicide", in the words of investigative reporter Anton Chaitkin, quoted by DeCamp in his book.
Recovering Monarch victims speak of ongoing trauma through "ritual abuse", also known as "satanic ritual abuse" because of the identifiable iconography of a belief structure associated with Satanism or Luciferianism. By using drugs, hypnosis, torture and electroshock, the Monarch criminal perpetrators have produced new and succeeding generations of victims.
This is not science fiction, but science fact. MPD involves the creation of personality "alters": alternative personalities or personality fragments which can be used for specific tasks - usually for illegal activities like delivering drugs or other black-market activities (mules), messages (couriers) or killings (assassins). These alters, or soul fragments, are segregated and compartmentalised within the victim's mind by the repeated use of stun guns, drugs and hypnosis, which isolates the memories of their experiences.
An alter can be accessed by anyone who knows the "codes" or "triggers". These triggers, which induce an altered or trance state in a programmed victim, can be anything including telephone tones, nursery rhymes, dialogue from certain movies or hand signals.
According to Springmeier and Wheeler, whose 468-page book has become a reference in the field, "...the basis for the success of the Monarch mind-control programming is that different personalities or personality parts called 'alters' can be created who do not know each other, but who can take the body at different times. The amnesia walls that are built by traumas form a protective shield of secrecy that prevents the abusers from being found out and prevents the front personalities who hold the body much of the time to know how their system of alters is being used."
''The mind-control programming, however, has not worked according to plan. In fact, the perpetrators, in their arrogance and hubris, never dreamed that their methods could fail. The retrieval of survivors' photographic-like memories of actual abuse incidents, including images, sounds and smells, constitutes a major exposure of human rights abuses. These victims bear witness to the secret atrocities of the so-called New World Order.''
Originally posted by Spartan005Sorry, I get confused between him and you because of your similar sigs.
He only double posted though....
Originally posted by Captain REXI expected atleast a link to a conspiracy website. But this time these two aren't cnping, they're making it up!
And now Deano has joined the Sickening Idiocy club. Congrats, Deano, on your use of copy-paste as well. It's disgusting how stupid your theory is that Cho was brainwashed by the government into killing people. It's disgusting that you think the government is that twisted. If you have a problem with the government, leave the US. If you don't live there, don't worry about it. If you think EVERYWHERE is corrupted and evil, then just kill yourself and do us all a favor...Once again, NuclearWinter, you're STILL copy-pasting and not providing anything interesting...
Originally posted by Lana
Are you ****ing kidding me?Normally I completely stay out of this forum, but stupidity like this isn't just dumb, it's downright insulting and offensive.
Not to mention is that completely insulting to people who truly DO have MPD/DID, but your entire post is downright wrong. People cannot CHOOSE which personality is prevelant, or just change at the snap of a finger. Nor is it something that you can simply instill in someone. Hypnotizing someone is NOT the same as giving them MPD/DID. Not even close.
Holy crap. Do some research from a credible source for a change. I don't think it'd kill you.
You speak as if you are the authority on this subject.
We also have to realisticly look at the art of mind-control. For God sakes, the topic has been around for over 50 years now, and it has already been proven that even our own government was involved in such studies.
Why can't people ask themselves if it is possible to control a person's mind by using mind games, hypnosis, actual surgery on the brain, chemical drugs, hallucinogens, and other resources? And then come to a logical conclusion based on the evidence? Why do certain people continuously try and pass this stuff off as hokus-pokus?
Satanists have these items. And people had better believe that they use them in alot of their rituals. After all, it's not so easy to slash a person's throat and drink their blood when you are completely sober.