Originally posted by Mider999
like i said ID show me one herald who stoped time
Originally posted by Mider999
, or could melt the gates of heaven,
Originally posted by Mider999
or try absorbing an entire realm.
Originally posted by Mider999
first off that was image gods power doing that thanks
Originally posted by Mider999
second of all even dr doom can time travel whats your point
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Originally posted by Mider999
and third off ive only seen galactus absorb realms to win a battle.
Originally posted by id369
@Milkie & Goddess KaliI consider myself vary Spawn knowledgeable.
And will make a vary concrete post as to why:First Age Spawn is around Low to Middle Herald.
Second Age Spawn is around High Herald
Third Age Spawn is around Low to Middle Herald level
Forth Age Spawn can not be used in any tournament (beyond - Transcendent)
For the KMC Comic Book Tiers
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/447826_1-kmc-comic-book-tiers
I am not here to argue or put down you or your opinion, for you have every right to your opinions as do I. Please do not feel the need to justifty your conclusions to me, because you do not need to.
Just make your conclusion, and I will simply respond as to why I agree or disagree. I will not insult you for anything.
However, if you have any questions about Spawn, feel free to just ask me. I am Spawn obsessed, and I am pretty sure my knowledge of Spawn is more extensive than your own.
Not because you aren't smart or because I think I'm better, but Spawn is the only character I really obsess over and loyally collect. I am a little unaware of much that goes on in Marvel and DC, but Image (like Crossgen) are my specialties 🙂
Originally posted by id369
I would think, Image God would also place its seal of protection over its Gates of Haven.
I mean….their the Gates of Haven or crying out loud.
You have to consider the retcon...
At first God was personified as an Old Loving Lady who existed deep within Heaven's realm, and watched events from behind the scenes. She was the creator and guardian of the entire Universe.
You can look into old issues of Curse of the Spawn where she guided Angela into her Destiny, and even in older versions of Spawn series where she helped Spawn save his freind before being transformed into a Redeemer.
As of now, she is no longer God, but simply an Angel who was in charge. God is now a Tyrant, a man.
He is an immortal, eternally angry, unstoppable immortal who could care less about his angels or the human race. The only person he ever cared about was Zera, his favorite servant.
The Gates of Heaven mean crap to him.
And when M.O.M. dethrowned him from Heaven, she left Heaven (and Hell) to fend for themselves.
Originally posted by id369
Technology Aided…not on his own power.
My point, Silver Surfer has a certain level of time manipulation.
So has Spawn, when he was First Age. He could slow down, fast forward, even rewind time to a degree.
In Curse of the Spawn, Angela existed in all facets of Time, but was only concious of the present. She went into a Trophey Room where a bunch of dead hellspawn and other alien creatures were stuffed. She asked whose bounty are these, and the Angel said "Angela, there are your tropheys..you killed all of them"
Angela responded: "What ? I didn't even leave the room !"
The angel trainer responded "In this realm (Heaven) Time is Not a Line. It is an ocean of ripples, and we exist simultaneously in all facets of Time..you are only aware of the present however."
Originally posted by Mider999
just ignore ID he thinks he's a spawn expert but always listens to PIS like the surfer absorbing half the universe.......yeah youd think he'd defeat thanos if he could do that.
It's obvious that his knowledge of Spawn is not that extensive, but I would rather amiably discuss the issues with him, than antagonize him and have him ignore/denounce the information I supply.
Originally posted by Mider999
the guy treats my knowledge like trash he called me a rabid fanboy he shouldnt get all pissy when someone tells him that his knowledge is basically trash.
I understand.
Debators here have a tendency to put each other down when thier favorite heroes/villians/characters are being bashed/degraded.
However, I give up engaging in childish arguments. If someone insults me or my knowledge, simply because they disagree, I will put them on my Ignore, and that will be the End of It.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
You have to consider the retcon...At first God was personified as an Old Loving Lady who existed deep within Heaven's realm, and watched events from behind the scenes. She was the creator and guardian of the entire Universe.
You can look into old issues of Curse of the Spawn where she guided Angela into her Destiny, and even in older versions of Spawn series where she helped Spawn save his freind before being transformed into a Redeemer.
As of now, she is no longer God, but simply an Angel who was in charge. God is now a Tyrant, a man.
He is an immortal, eternally angry, unstoppable immortal who could care less about his angels or the human race. The only person he ever cared about was Zera, his favorite servant.
The Gates of Heaven mean crap to him.
And when M.O.M. dethrowned him from Heaven, she left Heaven (and Hell) to fend for themselves.
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This still does not justify Spawns inability to overcome the seal of haven.
And the fact that such feat has never bin done, recorded, or mentioned…farther adds to my No Limit Fallacy claim.
“Hot enough to melt the Gates of Haven“.
The description of Hell Blast simply means - Its really hot, to an unknown degree.
And to say that God did not place any priority over its main line of protection would be an understatement.
After all, when his angles ware ravished; God wanted to know under who’s authority did they let the enemy intrude through Havens Gate’s.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
So has Spawn, when he was First Age. He could slow down, fast forward, even rewind time to a degree.
I had no idea First Age Spawn had the ability to manipulate time to such extent.
(Could it be that I missed an issue or I am not simply paying close enough attention…hmm…).
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
In Curse of the Spawn, Angela existed in all facets of Time, but was only concious of the present. She went into a Trophey Room where a bunch of dead hellspawn and other alien creatures were stuffed. She asked whose bounty are these, and the Angel said "Angela, there are your tropheys..you killed all of them"Angela responded: "What ? I didn't even leave the room !"
The angel trainer responded "In this realm (Heaven) Time is Not a Line. It is an ocean of ripples, and we exist simultaneously in all facets of Time..you are only aware of the present however."
But the Angel specifically stated in that realm. Out side that realm, she is not present in all Facets of time.
Adding on, its useless to point out such ability when she/he has no control of it.
Originally posted by id369
This still does not justify Spawns inability to overcome the seal of haven.
What Age of Spawn are you discussing ?
God Spawn sealed the Gates of Heaven himself...
Originally posted by id369
And the fact that such feat has never bin done, recorded, or mentioned…farther adds to my No Limit Fallacy claim.
What feats have not been done ? What are you talking about ? Did you read what I posted in its entirety ?
Originally posted by id369
“Hot enough to melt the Gates of Haven“.
The description of Hell Blast simply means - Its really hot, to an unknown degree.
Nope. You have to look at who is saying it, and what the context is. I am not aware what issue that quote was in, so I cannot comment on that.
I am not discussing the First 3 ages of Spawn. God Spawn is at discussion here, and he surpasses all 3 ages infinity fold.
Originally posted by id369
And to say that God did not place any priority over its main line of protection would be an understatement.
Again, before or after the retcon ?
I provided you with the info. Before the retcon, God was a loving old lady who created the universe and guarded it.
Now God is an All powerful, Immortal Tyrant who has an obsessive Hatred against Satan, and has a Mother with infinite power.
Originally posted by id369
After all, when his angles ware ravished; God wanted to know under who’s authority did they let the enemy intrude through Havens Gate’s.
What issue do you speak of ?
Recently, before Armaggedon occured, God was absent. He was sent into Exile, along with Satan, by thier mother in a forgotten corner of the Universe.
The Three Seraphim released Zera, because the Forgotten were attacking Heaven while it was at its weakest. Zera singlehandledly slaughtered them all.
Originally posted by id369
I had no idea First Age Spawn had the ability to manipulate time to such extent.
(Could it be that I missed an issue or I am not simply paying close enough attention…hmm…).
He does.
Originally posted by id369
But the Angel specifically stated in that realm. Out side that realm, she is not present in all Facets of time.
Adding on, its useless to point out such ability when she/he has no control of it.
It is not pointless, because the point is that Heaven in Image is every match for the likes of Galactus and the heralds.
Also, God is beyond Heaven, for he created it. That puts God above Galactus. GodSpawn would defeat Galactus without a problem.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
So what ?[b]2)
God Spawn created a world by pure will power. Galactus has never done that. When Galactus eats a world, he needs to put his effort into doing so. God Spawn created a world with a mere thought and command, he can destroy one just as easily.
I have to comment on this, since I consider myself to be somewhat knowledgeable about Galactus. Galactus consuming a world and destroying one are very different...think about it: you could easily make carrots disappear by throwing them out. You don't want to eat them, so you throw them out, easy. However if you actually do eat them, you take time to process and chew and what not. End result is that the carrots disappear in both scenarios, but each are different. In any case, it's been shown many, many times that Galactus is capable of wide-scale destruction without exerting any effort. Destroying three star-systems in annihilation was, as the writer put it "a weak Galactus throwing a tantrum." In any case we could never draw a parallel between God Spawn and Galactus in terms of destroying worlds...because Galactus has far greater use for them then their wanton destruction.
I don't know much about the scenario about spawn creating a world by whim...but Galactus has created a world before. In an issue of Silver Surfer, he recreated Zen-La, Silver Surfer's home-world, as well as the population of the entire planet, to exacting detail. So exact was this recreation that Surfer, the watchers, the celestials, and even Mephisto, could not tell that it was a recreation of what had been destroyed.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
What Age of Spawn are you discussing ?
First and second Age Spawn.
Originally posted by Goddess KaliGod Spawn sealed the Gates of Heaven himself...
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Although they ware merely shut, its well within reason to think he could breach, melt, create, re-enforce etc.. Havens Gates.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
What feats have not been done ? What are you talking about ? Did you read what I posted in its entirety ?
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Hell Blast and its inability to melt the Seal of Haven. Along with no prior feat to backing up its claim to melt the actual Gate of haven.
Originally posted by Goddess KaliNope. You have to look at who is saying it, and what the context is. I am not aware what issue that quote was in, so I cannot comment on that.
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I provided a scan, issue number and page number.
Originally posted by Goddess KaliI am not discussing the First 3 ages of Spawn. God Spawn is at discussion here, and he surpasses all 3 ages infinity fold.
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Originally posted by Goddess KaliAgain, before or after the retcon ?
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The Gates of haven is just that. A gate that protects Haven.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
I provided you with the info. Before the retcon, God was a loving old lady who created the universe and guarded it.[/B]
And at that time, God was at war with Satan. A Gate was still placed to guard Haven.
This does not necessarily defects its usefulness to protect.
Originally posted by Goddess KaliNow God is an All powerful, Immortal Tyrant who has an obsessive Hatred against Satan, and has a Mother with infinite power.
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Same as above.
Originally posted by Goddess KaliWhat issue do you speak of ?
Recently, before Armaggedon occured, God was absent. He was sent into Exile, along with Satan, by thier mother in a forgotten corner of the Universe.
The Three Seraphim released Zera, because the Forgotten were attacking Heaven while it was at its weakest. Zera singlehandledly slaughtered them all.
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Ah your right. Zera did single handedly took out the Forgotten at Heavens gate.
God simply wanted to know why their forces ware depleted.
Originally posted by Goddess KaliHe does.
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Could you provide me with the issue number in which first age spawn manipulated time.
I need reference to back up my claims.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
It is not pointless, because the point is that Heaven in Image is every match for the likes of Galactus and the heralds.
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I stand firm of my comment.
Its pointless to point out Angelas ability to facets of time when
A) - She can only do it in Heavn
B) - She has no control over it.
In neutral ground its simply pointless.
Originally posted by Goddess KaliAlso, God is beyond Heaven, for he created it. That puts God above Galactus. GodSpawn would defeat Galactus without a problem. [/B]
Not entirely.
Odin Created Asgard along with solar systems, and his home planet.
Yet he is below Galactus.
Just because Galactus lacks the ability to create a realm does not mean he has other abilities that places him on par with the likes of Odin or God Spawn or greater.
Originally posted by id369
First and second Age Spawn.
No Wondor...I was starting to think you were talking about God Spawn, and didn't know what you were saying.
Originally posted by id369
That’s understandable. At the moment he was the only God present on earth with the authority do as he pleases.
I am not questioning God’s Spawns ability to melt Havens Gates.
God Spawn was not present on Earth.
Earth was left behind for God and Satan to continue thier battle for all eternity...
God Spawn created a new Earth, and resurrected the human race as well as the animal and plant life. You know that much...
His realm, which is the New Earth, the New Earth that he is the God of, was unattainable to God and Satan. They had no rights over it.
However, the confusing part is that he did close off the Gates of Heaven and Hell to the New Earth, so that they had absolutely no access to his world.
How he had the authority to close off God and Satan's realms is beyond my understanding...
Originally posted by id369
Although they ware merely shut, its well within reason to think he could breach, melt, create, re-enforce etc.. Havens Gates.
Oh, I agree 100% bro...
Originally posted by id369
Hell Blast and its inability to melt the Seal of Haven. Along with no prior feat to backing up its claim to melt the actual Gate of haven.
I am not aware of the Hell Blast, when it comes to Spawn's First Age, I know very little. I know more about Second, Third, and God Ages.
Originally posted by id369
It was Spawn in its 2nd Age (King Of Hell) after attacking a building protected by the Seal of haven with Hell Blast.
I provided a scan, issue number and page number.[/B][/QUOTE]
Please send me the link
Originally posted by id369
Granted that this thread is addressing God Spawn.
A debate was being held about 1st and 2nd Age spawn, and you intruded to make your points.
What did I intrude on ? I do not recall addressing you.
This thread is about God Spawn, not first and second age spawn. Excuse me for staying on topic 🙄
Originally posted by id369
It does not matter weather God is a lovely old lady or an angry old man when it comes to the Gates of Haven.The Gates of haven is just that. A gate that protects Haven.
The Gates of Heaven are irrelevant in this case, they have nothing to do with what God Spawn had done.
I do not know what conversation you were having with Mider about the Gates of Heaven, but I was defending my point about God Spawn's ability to surpass Galactus in battle.
Originally posted by id369
And at that time, God was at war with Satan. A Gate was still placed to guard Haven.This does not necessarily defects its usefulness to protect.
As of current continuity, the Gates of Heaven are breachable. The Forgotten invaded Heaven before Armageddon, and before Zera's release.
Originally posted by id369
Ah your right. Zera did single handedly took out the Forgotten at Heavens gate.
God simply wanted to know why their forces ware depleted.
She took out the Forgotten within Heaven's Gate, they were actually fighting in the Silver City of Heaven.
God excused Zera's actions, because he knew the Forgotten were trying to inherit Heaven due to his absense, besides she is his favorite angel, and he would forgive her for anything.
Originally posted by id369
Could you provide me with the issue number in which first age spawn manipulated time.
I need reference to back up my claims.
It was in the Spawn Respect Thread, one of the older issues. Since I brought up the point, I will make time to find out which issue it was and link you immediately when I do.
Originally posted by id369
I stand firm of my comment.
Its pointless to point out Angelas ability to facets of time when
A) - She can only do it in Heavn
B) - She has no control over it.In neutral ground its simply pointless.
You don't get my point....
Heaven is a intangible and complicated realm. The Forces who occupy Heaven have access to power and majesty that is every match for the power cosmic of Galactus.
Originally posted by id369
Not entirely.
Odin Created Asgard along with solar systems, and his home planet.
Yet he is below Galactus.
Are any of the worlds that Odin created Sentient ?
Earth, like every single world the Mother created are sentient. Greenworld is the life force that occupies Earth, a realm of its own, a realm with a mind. Nature is an actual force, not a metaphor in Spawn's cosmology.
Earth helped Spawn battle and trap Urizen. Do you remember ?
Earth is not just a giant rock in Image, like it is in Marvel and DC.
Also is Odin unconditionally immortal? Is Odin invulnerable and indestructable ?
Is he capable of dying or being destroyed ?
God Spawn isn't....you are forgetting a major fact here.
Originally posted by id369
Just because Galactus lacks the ability to create a realm does not mean he has other abilities that places him on par with the likes of Odin or God Spawn or greater.
I am not doubting Galactus's might.
This is what I am saying.
Galactus is mortal. He is limitted in endurance, and can be destroyed.
God Spawn cannot be destroyed. God Spawn has infinite endurance, is invulnerable, he will keep coming back no matter how much you do to him.
Urizen cannot be destroyed, neither could God or Satan.
They just keep coming back.
What could Galactus possibly do to any of them ?
