"That would be the ideal situation. The very essence of dialectc progress. Thesis and antithesis do not continuaally switch places, but merge to become one idea, the synthesis. And in this synthesised society, both humans gain mutual respect and recognition- and therefore self-identity and value- from the other."
"Human and Machine are going through nothing of the kind. But other aspects of this tale do bear relation. For example, in using the slave as his means of recognition, and therefore identity, the master is in fact dependant on the slave; he is the slave of the slave, and the slave is the Master's master. Funny, isn't it, how now Machines are entirely dependant upon Humans to exist?
"The cyclical nature of ther Lord and the Bondsman, and the coming together of Master and Slave to form a better society... well, you can see how this thinking influenced those such as Marx. But my interest is not political theory, as such.
"My goal... well. Hegel himself identified a quality he called 'Telos', the goal that all societies strive towards, the ultimate objective. He did not know what Telos was, he just identified it as that unknown quality, that the Lord and Bondsman could make no step towards until they synthesised.
"You could say that my purpose was to discover Telos for the Machines. And this very dialectic formed the starting point og how I thought about the matter."
"I do not think it is possible to apply the dialectic to the current state of affairs between humans and machines," Azrael says, "Unless, in referring to humans, one refers only to those free of the Matrix. The others cannot fight to overthrow a society they do not know exists.
"Are you suggesting that Machine society, as an entity, can only seek to maintain and never to any other purpose? Or do you believe you can avoid eventual slavery by drawing humans and machines closer together? Or was there something else? I am intrigued. What was the next step?"
"You are once more confusing yourself. The principle holds; an enslaved society will seek freedom and the slaver can only seek to maintain that unstable situation. It does not matter which of you are in Zion or in th Matrix; as an object, Human society seeks to be free. Besdies, if what you said was literally true, no-one would ever escape the Matrix. The fact is that Humanity resists it within as well, whethr you realise it or not- as you all did, but did not realise it until someone told you.
"As to where Machine society is... perhaps we should look at that now."
A new subject
THE PROBLEM
"I ask this with some of Melkor's comments in mind, but any of you are free to answer, though you may approach with a different perspective.
"What is the true crime of the Matrix? For Humans, anyway."
"As much as any life sccomplishes for society. After all, by far the largest part of Human society is in the Matrix. And your original answer- that you are used as a battery, was no sort of answer that looked at the bigger concept. By saying you were used for that and anothing else, you implied either that a. Human are normally 'used' for something different- which is not so- or b. that by being used as a battery you were not capable of doing anything else. Which is also not so."