Originally posted by lando005
sorry i disagree. I think you've missed the point of civil war. the whole arch was suppose to represent the feelings of the staff over at marvel on the current situation of our country. It was a very mature topic and i think they handled it very well the part with cap crying was because his actions was inadvertently causing damage and harm to those he wanted to protect the most. As for bill foster you got me on that one maybe the body has to be living i dunno. WWH is something that should be taken at face value because well that's all it's got. Civil War has a lot of meaning behind it and is meant to appeal to marvel fans with a much wider sense of things in life. No offence to you ofcouse.
Dude, if you actually think that Civil War represented Mark Millar seriously attempting to deal with complex socio-political and legal issues like the detainment in Guantanamo, the so-called "war on terror," and the attack on civil liberties, IE wiretapping, the patriot act, so on and so forth... I mean.... Civil War was a comic book about superheroes fighting each other. In terms of actually looking at the nation through the lens of the Marvel Universe, it failed completely and utterly. I understand the real world allusions... I mean, it's not like they're subtle. Tony might has well have been wearing a sign that said "Neo-conservative." It had it's root in a commentary on American society... but in providing a mirror to real life, it completely failed.
Besides, Cap causes damage to the people around him ALL THE TIME. But Captain America would NEVER give up when he believes that the issue at stake (in this case, civil liberties) is important. It's not in his character. I'm fine with new interpretations of characters, and I don't mind when an author has something in mind for a character that I don't see that character doing. But that wasn't Captain America. It's anathema to the entire point of his existence.
Civil War was okay. But it's impossible to claim that it actually functions as an intellegent dialogue about what's going on in the world right now. It could have been done that way if someone like... Alan Moore circa 1985 was writing it. But Mark Millar writes cinema inspired, wide-screen comic books with lots of action and bad ass dialogues. The Ultimates is a perfect example of that. I mean, it has plenty of real world allusions, but only in the most puerile and unsophisticated way.
I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm talking down to you, I swear I don't really mean to.
plus, this is not the right thread for this topic... I wouldn't mind continuing the exchange, but it shouldn't really go in here.