Originally posted by JuntaiI agree Mike is still better in almost every other aspect of the game and you'll be hard pressed to find someone that was the total package like MJ much less the talent he ahd in all those aspects.
Kobe isn't even close to Mike... Scoring maybe. Playing? Not even close. Kobe might as well be playing soccer by comparison. This -- in probably Kobe's best year --he's barely matching Mike's averages over the course of a career.
Originally posted by Juntai
Let me know when this kid averages 30ppg, has a decent percentage from the field, wins a defensive title, MVP, and Finals MVP and walks home with a trophy... and more than once... then we can talk about who's better.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
We've actually got a winning record against the mavs. Not to mention sweeping them in our games against them this year. Plus, Nellie's got their number. 😗
Originally posted by Juntai
Let me know when this kid averages 30ppg, has a decent percentage from the field, wins a defensive title, MVP, and Finals MVP and walks home with a trophy... and more than once... then we can talk about who's better.
Right now Kobe is the best player in the game. Kobe averaged 35 pts a game last year and is averaging over 31 pts per game this year. Kobe has been all NBA first team in defense and offence. The Lakers need to get another Superstar to support Kobe. just like Jordan had in Pippen. Let's not forget that Jordan didn't win a title until he was 29 years old. We will know Kobe's legacy when he retires. If he does not go down as the best player to ever play the game, he'll be a close second to Jordan.
Let's not forget the secone most points scored in a game 81. The guy is the real deal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTTxNQ0wqzE&mode=related&search=
Originally posted by jmcnasty
Right now Kobe is the best player in the game. Kobe averaged 35 pts a game last year and is averaging over 31 pts per game this year. Kobe has been all NBA first team in defense and offence. The Lakers need to get another Superstar to support Kobe. just like Jordan had in Pippen. Let's not forget that Jordan didn't win a title until he was 29 years old. We will know Kobe's legacy when he retires. If he does not go down as the best player to ever play the game, he'll be a close second to Jordan.
And BTW? Last year he averaged 27 ppg. Don't come to me with wrong stats. Especially on the internet, where proving you wrong is only a click away.
I'll admit, the last two years Kobe has stepped it up a notch, but he's still barely putting up Jordan numbers, that Jordan did over his entire career. Over his career, Jordan averaged what Kobe is doing this season, probably his best season statistically.
Lets compare, shall we?
PPG: Jordan averaged 30.1 PPG over his career, the highest of all time.
Kobe averaged 31 this season. His career? 22.9
Rebounds? Jordan averaged 6.2 a game, over his career. Kobe averages 5. Kobe's single highest ever? 8. Jordans? 17.
Steals? Kobe averages 1.4 this year, and 1.5 over his career. Jordan? 2.3 over his career.
Assists? lol.
I mean, shit, the stats all around are so lopsided, look at them yourself.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kobe_bryant/career_stats.html
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/michael_jordan/index.html
Micheal;
Five-time NBA Most Valuable Player (1987-88, 1990-91, 1991-92, 1995-96, 1997-98)
Ten-time All-NBA First Team selection (1986-87 to 1992-93, 1995-96 to 1997-98)
Selected in 1996 as one of the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History"
A member of six Chicago Bulls NBA championship teams (1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97 and 1997-98)
Six-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player
The 1987-88 NBA Defensive Player of the Year and record nine-time NBA All-Defensive First Team selection (1987-88 to 1992-93, 1995-96 to 1997-98)
Entering 2002-03, ranked first in NBA history in scoring average (31.0 ppg), second in steals (2,391), fourth in points (30,652) and in field-goals made (11,513), fifth in free-throws made (7,061), sixth in field-goals attempted (23,010) and eighth in free-throws attempted (8,448)
Closed the 1997-98 season as the Bulls' all-time franchise leader in points, rebounds (5,836), assists (5,012), steals, games (930), field-goals made and attempted and free-throws made and attempted (8,115)
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in scoring (10)
Shares the NBA record with Wilt Chamberlain for most consecutive seasons leading the league in scoring (seven, 1986-87 to 1992-93)
Holds the NBA record for most consecutive games scoring in double-digits (842)
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in field-goals made (10) and attempted (10)
Led the NBA in steals in 1987-88 (3.16 spg), 1989-90 (2.77 spg) and 1992-93 (2.83 spg)
Holds the NBA single-game records for most free-throws made in one half (20 against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92) and most most free-throws attempted in one half (23 in the same game)
Shares the NBA single-game records for most free-throws made in one quarter (14 against the Utah Jazz on 11/15/89 and against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92) and most free-throws attempted in one quarter (23 against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92)
Holds the NBA Finals record for highest single-series scoring average (41.0 ppg in 1993)
Entering the 2002-03 season, ranks as the all-time NBA Finals leader in three-pointers made (42), second in three-point attempts (114), third in points (1,176), fourth in steals (62), fifth in field-goals made (438), sixth in assists (209) and free-throws made (258), seventh in field-goals attempted (911) and eighth in free-throws attempted (320)
Holds the NBA Playoffs record for highest career scoring average (33.4 ppg)
Established an NBA Playoffs record with 63 points against the Boston Celtics on 5/20/86
Entering the 2002-03 season ranks as the all-time NBA Playoffs leader in field-goals attempted (4,497), free-throws made (1,463) and attempted (1,766), second in steals (376) and field-goals made (2,188), fifth in assists (1,022), seventh in three-point attempts (446) and ninth in three-pointers made (148)
Recorded two playoff career triple-doubles, both against the New York Knicks (5/9/89 and 6/2/93)
Participated in 13 NBA All-Star Games (1985, 1987-1993, 1996-98, 2002-03), starting 13 times, and missed another due to injury
Named the MVP of the 1988, 1996 and 1998 NBA All-Star Games
All-time NBA All-Star Game leader in steals (35) and ranks second in field-goal attempts (206), third in points (242), fourth in scoring average (20.2 ppg), and eighth in assists (52)
Notched the first triple-double in All-Star Game history, with 14 points, 11 rebounds and 11 assists, in the 1997 NBA All-Star Game in Cleveland
Won the Slam Dunk Contest in 1987 and 1988, also participating in 1985
Notched his 28th career triple-double, with 30 points, 11 rebounds and 10 assists, against the Toronto Raptors on 4/14/97
Returned from retirement against the Indiana Pacers on 3/19/95 and posted 19 points, six rebounds, six assists and three steals in 43 minutes
Come back and try again later.
And looking at all those it makes you wonder how many numbers would Jordan have put up if he didn't take those two years off in his Prime. Maybe he could have had the scoring title and two more championships
I think it is also a very good thing to say that even in his old age Jordan was still above average in all categories. Didn't he make the 20 point average his final season which even today most players would die to have. But with Jordan that low of a scoring year actually hurt his career average.
The guy had not only the physical ability but the raw skill I don't think anyone in the league has had before or since and I don't see anyone now that will.
Originally posted by NewjakI dunno, to me it was just sheer determination and will to win. Some guys this days, look better in everything, run faster, jump higher, they just don't have the same drive he did. Jordan falls behind in a game, he's in there pushing his all to do everything to win. What did Kobe do last year, when his team fell behind in the playoffs? Oh yah, he went and sat down and refused to come back. That's the guy I want on my team.
And looking at all those it makes you wonder how many numbers would Jordan have put up if he didn't take those two years off in his Prime. Maybe he could have had the scoring title and two more championshipsI think it is also a very good thing to say that even in his old age Jordan was still above average in all categories. Didn't he make the 20 point average his final season which even today most players would die to have. But with Jordan that low of a scoring year actually hurt his career average.
The guy had not only the physical ability but the raw skill I don't think anyone in the league has had before or since and I don't see anyone now that will.
Originally posted by JuntaiI know what you mean although I think skill level wise Jordan was better than almost anybody that has played along with his athletic gifts an drive to win he just jaw dropping what he could do.
I dunno, to me it was just sheer determination and will to win. Some guys this days, look better in everything, run faster, jump higher, they just don't have the same drive he did. Jordan falls behind in a game, he's in there pushing his all to do everything to win. What did Kobe do last year, when his team fell behind in the playoffs? Oh yah, he went and sat down and refused to come back. That's the guy I want on my team.
People like to claim that people like Kobe and Lebron can take over games would do well to watch some old games of Jordan to see what domination really is.
And unlike people like Kobe and Lebron who will probably fall off past the 30 year mark Jordan was still a great player even in old age.
20 points at the age of what 42 is awesome most 20 year old players in the league would dream of averaging 20 points in a year.
Although I'm not sure was it 20 point average I know it was close. Also when was it that Jordan retired 42 or 43?
Originally posted by NewjakHe was about that age, and yeah he averaged 20ppg in his final season... However, besides age... it's also attributed to him not handling the ball as much in his last 2 seasons. When he was with the Bulls he averaged between 1700 and 2000 field goals attempted per season, while with the Wizards it was 1300 and 1500. He was trying to give other younger players some shine. Not to mention he was playing for what was the previous year the absolute worst team in the league. He also played for only 1 million each of those last two seasons to help the team, while in his prime, he was worth 30mil a season.
I know what you mean although I think skill level wise Jordan was better than almost anybody that has played along with his athletic gifts an drive to win he just jaw dropping what he could do.People like to claim that people like Kobe and Lebron can take over games would do well to watch some old games of Jordan to see what domination really is.
And unlike people like Kobe and Lebron who will probably fall off past the 30 year mark Jordan was still a great player even in old age.
20 points at the age of what 42 is awesome most 20 year old players in the league would dream of averaging 20 points in a year.
Although I'm not sure was it 20 point average I know it was close. Also when was it that Jordan retired 42 or 43?
Originally posted by JuntaiI know he was taking less shots. He probably could have squeaked out 6 more points a game if he wanted to. Its a shame most of the young guys on that team just didn't really seem to get behind him. He was trying to really help them out.
He was about that age, and yeah he averaged 20ppg in his final season... However, besides age... it's also attributed to him not handling the ball as much in his last 2 seasons. When he was with the Bulls he averaged between 1700 and 2000 field goals attempted per season, while with the Wizards it was 1300 and 1500. He was trying to give other younger players some shine. Not to mention he was playing for what was the previous year the absolute worst team in the league. He also played for only 1 million each of those last two seasons to help the team, while in his prime, he was worth 30mil a season.
Originally posted by carver9Btw, Superman is vastly faster than lightspeed.. just in case someone hasn't corrected this somewhere in the thread already.
naaah, I dont think that superman is waaaaaay faster than thor since it does state in thors bio that he can FLY at the speed of light. I have never witnessed in any of superman comics saying that he is moving at the speed of light or in his bio. I seen it state that one time that he was moving faster than the speed of light and that was when he was trying to escape a blackhole and then the black hole could have been helping his speed.
Thor can FLY at lightspeed, when the hammer is pulling him around. Superman can do much faster, just on his own.
Originally posted by JuntaiSame here I love football basketball is probably my second favorite though.
Chicago has another 23 to watch out for now though, who's smashing records. My man Devin Hester. 😄I'm far more of a football fan than a basketball fan, but when someone is trying to compare a guy who ditches his team in the playoffs to the greatest of all time, I have to get involved.
Besides Kobe may get better somewhat but I don't see him maintaining it for any real length. He needs a Shaq like figure to take the pressure off.
As for Lebron with the way things are going he may not even be the best out of his class when things are said and done.
Wade already has a title with a decent shot at winning another this year.
And Carmelo I see as being probably the most consistent of the three throughout his career.
Originally posted by JuntaiThor also can Teleport though and as Maxima has shown that can help things 😛
Btw, Superman is vastly faster than lightspeed.. just in case someone hasn't corrected this somewhere in the thread already.Thor can FLY at lightspeed, when the hammer is pulling him around. Superman can do much faster, just on his own.