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Originally posted by Robtard
Don't be so hard on the U.S., many crimes go unheard of and unnoticed, especially in third world countries where one on gives a dam.
dude, for whatever reason the u.s. is a magnet for media lunatics.
like columbine and the VT, part of their plan was to influence people through the media (and our media so willingly rewards them).
not that this new development is relevant...at least we dont know.
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Originally posted by Starhawk
I never said we could get rid of Guns. But Canada has a far lower rate of Gun related deaths and I believe the reason for that is the fact that we have much stricter gun laws.
I thought Canada was on par with America as far as guns in private citizens hands?
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Originally posted by Robtard
Don't be so hard on the U.S., many crimes go unheard of and unnoticed, especially in third world countries where one on gives a dam.
Yeah but there is also very little law and order in those countries and they are in a state of war with each other allot of the time.
Guns cannot be eliminated, that is a pipe dream. But you can limit it so people can only get them for hunting purposes. Also you could make it so they have to pass a check to purchase ammunition.
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Originally posted by Starhawk
Yeah but there is also very little law and order in those countries and they are in a state of war with each other allot of the time.Guns cannot be eliminated, that is a pipe dream. But you can limit it so people can only get them for hunting purposes. Also you could make it so they have to pass a check to purchase ammunition.
So if America had laws similar to Canada, in the case of VT that kid, couldn't have killed people with a shotgun or rifle? It might have taken him longer to plan, but if the motivation is there as it was with him, he would have done it regardless.
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Originally posted by Robtard
So if America had laws similar to Canada, in the case of VT that kid couldn't have killed people with a shotgun or rifle? It might have taken him longer to plan, but if the motivation is there as it was with him, he would have done it regardless.
I know, understand I am in no way saying this is only the fault of the gun. There was plenty of red flags that this kid was psycho and nothing was done.
Originally posted by Schecter
im just tired of the general knee-jerk reaction that the reason a tragedy happens was because a certain law wasnt passed, and thus the subsequent hastey passing of panic-laws which rob our civil liberties.
Well we have already done the liberty vs security thing about as much as we can. I think you can agree that there was signs of this kid's dementia that the college didn't pick up on or didn't decide to act on. As I said this isn't just about the gun issue.
Originally posted by Starhawk
Well we have already done the liberty vs security thing about as much as we can. I think you can agree that there was signs of this kid's dementia that the college didn't pick up on or didn't decide to act on. As I said this isn't just about the gun issue.
whatever im not saying it shouldnt be debated, its just when this attitude of "we dont have time to debate the issue" comes up its always bad and never leads to a solution. never.
Originally posted by Schecter
whatever im not saying it shouldnt be debated, its just when this attitude of "we dont have time to debate the issue" comes up its always bad and never leads to a solution. never.
Good thing I never said that. What I said was that we had already had that debate today. And I think the greater blame lies with the college's lack of action on the red flags around this kids.
Originally posted by Starhawk
I think you can agree that there was signs of this kid's dementia that the college didn't pick up on or didn't decide to act on.
http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/070419_virginia_tech.html
there are no universal signs for this type of thing
mental health in general is still poorly understood by the public at large. Depression is considered normal for students in first year college.
Please don't be down on professionals for not doing something that is not their job. The world would not be a better place if we had to have authority checking in on all of our actions.
Originally posted by inimalist
http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/070419_virginia_tech.htmlthere are no universal signs for this type of thing
mental health in general is still poorly understood by the public at large. Depression is considered normal for students in first year college.
Please don't be down on professionals for not doing something that is not their job. The world would not be a better place if we had to have authority checking in on all of our actions.
Okay but there were lot's of signs, his previous time in mental institutions. The complaints of the other students. His disturbing writings, his own teacher said she didn't feel safe leaving him alone in the classroom.