Extreme cults, practices and organisations

Considering that we have a very high regards to freedom or religion, which gives freedom to one, to practice any religion they like, how does this impact members and non-members of extreme cults.

There are number of such which are potentially harmless groups of people, doing their own thing, and at the same time, there are a number of those who are dangerous not only to its members but to other non-members, as well.

Should freedom of religion apply to these as well? Or better yet, should ''freedom of religion'' be re-defined.

For example,

Order of the Solar Temple have had a number of mass suicides, and mass suicide-murders.

Scientology potentially incorporates forced labor and confinement of members, as found by Stephen A. Kent.

Westboro Baptist Church can be argued is not only preaching hate, trolling, they are initially abusing their children, who are told to hold signs and say things they are still too young to understand. Installing hate in children, once can argue IS child abuse.

Christian scientists, could be argued have potential dangerous influence to its members, as it discourages taking of the medicine, but relies on ''faith heeling''.

David C Lane critisised Sant Thakar Singh as child abusive, as it incorporates hours upon hours blindfolded meditation on children.

Muslim Brotherhood whos moto stands :

“Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope”

As a potential danger to its members as advocating dying in the name of Allah, and those who are not the members, as their means to reach objectives are very often violent..

Heaven's Gate, also a cult which resulted in suicides and loss of life, fataly dangerous to all those who follow it.

The People's Temple - a doomsday destructive Christian cult, dangerous for that very reason.

etc. (if you know more, please add in the discussion below)

So, in the view of such, is there anything can be done about destructive, dangerous doomsday, cults, who are a potential danger, not only to its members but to outside public as well?

Or is this a backlash of the religious tolerance?

The only real problem I have is when said 'organizations' infringe of the rights of others/directly harm others. The children aspect is another one though, I feel parents should have a right to raise their kids as they see fit, but it is a "slippery slope" on the child abuse aspect; hard to draw a line were "instilling values" ends and "child abuse" begins as per the law. As far as adults go, if they want to be manipulated, lied to and abused, go ahead; do so and be sheep.

you have to admit, christian scientists have the best newspaper tho.

i think it should be mandatory that all children ae taught non hate and evolution

I think its strange to deny people learning about evolution. It is kind of incomprehensible to me.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I think its strange to deny people learning about evolution. It is kind of incomprehensible to me.

That's because you (me too) see it as the truth, so we see it as not only denying people of the truth; also replacing the truth with a fantasy-like lie. They feel the same way about evolution, mostly do to fear though IMO.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's because you (me too) see it as the truth, so we see it as not only denying people of the truth; also replacing the truth with a fantasy-like lie. They feel the same way about evolution, mostly do to fear though IMO.

This is the main difference: Evolution can be disproved, but religion cannot be.

People think all religious people are like this but it is totally the opposite and the reason why religions hate each other in this world is due to EXTREMISM. Period. End of story.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Considering that we have a very high regards to freedom or religion

Who's "we"??

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
[b]Westboro Baptist Church [/B]

They arent even a church. They're an extended family (a clan basically) of 90 people who live in a compound in Kansas who annoy people for a living. No Baptist church in the world recognizes them as one.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
This is the main difference: Evolution can be disproved, but religion cannot be.

Disprove Evolution then... granted, there are holes that still need to be filled in and I'm certain many things will be rethought and reevaluated as science and technology progress, but Rome wasn't built in a day.

Religion is no different, if there are solid facts that go against religious dogma i.e. the Earth only being 6k years old, every living thing that every existed living in the same time period etc. etc. etc., then by default, religion or more precisely certain aspects of religion become "disproved".

Originally posted by Robtard
Disprove Evolution then... granted, there are holes that still need to be filled in and I'm certain many things will be rethought and reevaluated as science and technology progress, but Rome wasn't built in a day.

Religion is no different, if there are solid facts that go against religious dogma i.e. the Earth only being 6k years old, every living thing that every existed living in the same time period etc. etc. etc., then by default, religion or more precisely certain aspects of religion become "disproved".

I think you misunderstood me. I consider the fact that something is disprovable to be a strength, and something that is not disprovable to be a good reason for it to be untrue.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I consider...something that is not disprovable to be a good reason for it to be untrue.

Why?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Who's "we"??

They arent even a church. They're an extended family (a clan basically) of 90 people who live in a compound in Kansas who annoy people for a living. No Baptist church in the world recognizes them as one.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Why?

If something cannot be disproved, it cannot be proved.

If I have a box and I say there is gold in this box. I have to be able to open the box and show you that there is gold or not. You can open the box and disprove if there is gold in the box. If the box cannot be opened in any way, then you cannot prove or disprove if there is gold in the box.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Who's "we"??

They arent even a church. They're an extended family (a clan basically) of 90 people who live in a compound in Kansas who annoy people for a living. No Baptist church in the world recognizes them as one.

Oh right I forget. And People's Temple, a Christian doomstday cult, is recognized by Vatican?

Cults and sects are NOT recognized by anything or anyone else. The whole point is that they have separated themselves from EVERYONE else, which is the essence of a cult.
It doesn't matter if it has 90, 900 000 members.

If I got this right...the three most major religions in the world started as cults. So, if we do give freedom of religion..then most certainly freedom for these cults should also be given.

However, the laws of the land still apply here...this most likely would be settle in a courtroom and the representatives would have to prove that they're willing to be bound by the laws of the state.

Doesn't move into a political issue but more a state judicial matter.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

[b]Muslim Brotherhood whos moto stands :

“Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope”
[/B]

you are wrong again lil b thats the motto of every real muslim

Originally posted by muslimscholar
you are wrong again lil b thats the motto of every real muslim

haermm

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Oh right I forget. And People's Temple, a Christian doomstday cult, is recognized by Vatican?

Cults and sects are NOT recognized by anything or anyone else. The whole point is that they have separated themselves from EVERYONE else, which is the essence of a cult.
It doesn't matter if it has 90, 900 000 members.

Yep. Adding the word "Church" to your little group's name doesnt make it one.