Spider-Man vs Wolverine(with a twist)

Originally posted by Battlehammer
His bones are very durable, spiderman would have quite a hard time breaking them

Bullshit. If this is bone-claw Wolverine, then Spider-Man just pulls his head off. Don't give me that "but Wolverine's bones are more durable than a normal humans!" I know. I'm WELL aware. But Spider-Man has far superior superhuman strength. The kind of strength that could easily snap Wolverine's bones.

They're not adamantium. They're not titanium. They're not steel. They're not rock. They're bone. Albeit very durable bone, but bone nonetheless.

Hell, in this scenario, Spidey could very well crush Wolvie's head in his hands. 😘

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Bullshit. If this is bone-claw Wolverine, then Spider-Man just pulls his head off. Don't give me that "but Wolverine's bones are more durable than a normal humans!" I know. I'm WELL aware. But Spider-Man has far superior superhuman strength. The kind of strength that could easily snap Wolverine's bones.

They're not adamantium. They're not titanium. They're not steel. They're not rock. They're bone. Albeit very durable bone, but bone nonetheless.

Hell, in this scenario, Spidey could very well crush Wolvie's head in his hands. 😘

Well his bones were sharp enough to but through solid stone and metal..apparently.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well his bones were sharp enough to but through solid stone and metal..apparently.

Oh yea. I never said they weren't much stronger and more durable than a normal human bone. But it's still bone, ya know what I mean?

It's not quite that easy.

Spidey could snap his neck, and Wolverine would just snap it right back. X-23 did it 🙂

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Oh yea. I never said they weren't much stronger and more durable than a normal human bone. But it's still bone, ya know what I mean?

No I don't. Obvoulsy Spiderman is not just going to rip his head off like you said. Its not just bone if its strong enough to cut through metal and stone.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No I don't. Obvoulsy Spiderman is not just going to rip his head off like you said. Its not just bone if its strong enough to cut through metal and stone.

No, he probably won't. My point was that he CAN now in this scenario. Bone-breaking/limb-severing is now a feasible option for Spidey.

It is bone though. Albeit it's extremely hard, dense bone. Even so, the bone claws have snapped several times when he struck something that was too hard, something that his adamantium claws wouldn't have done (obviously). This means that they can be broken, as Wolverine has broken them upon hitting things with his strength, and Spider-Man is MUCH stronger than him. 😐

Originally posted by Metalmanx
No, he probably won't. My point was that he CAN now in this scenario. Bone-breaking/limb-severing is now a feasible option for Spidey.

It is bone though. Albeit it's extremely hard, dense bone. Even so, the bone claws have snapped several times when he struck something that was too hard, something that his adamantium claws wouldn't have done (obviously). This means that they can be broken, as Wolverine has broken them upon hitting things with his strength, and Spider-Man is MUCH stronger than him. 😐

What did he hit? Like you said he probably won't. Its still very durable and he has to fight Wolverine at the same time.

Okay. Forget the fact that Spidey COULD pull of Wolvie's head. Just focus on the fact that Wolvie's bones are now breakable, especially by someone in Spidey's strength class. That puts him at a huge disadvantage.

Cyber was the first to break Wolverine's bone claws. I can't recally too well, but I THINK I remember Rogue breaking them, too.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Okay. Forget the fact that Spidey COULD pull of Wolvie's head. Just focus on the fact that Wolvie's bones are now breakable, especially by someone in Spidey's strength class. That puts him at a huge disadvantage.

I dont see how its puts him at a huge disadvantage because to be quite honest you dont even know wether Spiderman can break his bones. You are just making assumptions. Even if he could its going to be very difficult trying to do that when Wolverine is trying to kill him and also his bones are still very durable. Spiderman most likely could not.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Cyber was the first to break Wolverine's bone claws.

How? Well for starters he has a better chance of breaking Wolverines bones because he has superhuman stats, is better at MA and has adamntuim skin, so therefore when he punches its likes hes wearing adamantuim knuckledusters. 😐

Originally posted by Metalmanx

I can't recally too well, but I THINK I remember Rogue breaking them, too.

She has class80 strength. 😬

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dont see how its puts him at a huge disadvantage because to be quite honest you dont even know wether Spiderman can break his bones. You are just making assumptions. Even if he could its going to be very difficult trying to do that when Wolverine is trying to kill him and also his bones are still very durable. Spiderman most likely could not.

Technically, yes. I am making an assumption because bone-claw Wolverine and Spider-Man have never fought. But at the same time, you, too, are making an assumption when you say that Spider-Man cannot break Wolvie's bones, even though they have been shown to be breakable. Durable bones, yes. Unbreakable? No. Breakable by Spidey? Most likely.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
How? Well for starters he has a better chance of breaking Wolverines bones because he has superhuman stats, is better at MA and has adamntuim skin, so therefore when he punches its likes hes wearing adamantuim knuckledusters. 😐

Cyber had low-level enhanced/ low-level superhuman strength. And aside from the adamantium skin, he's basically Wolverine in every way. So, even though Wolvie's bone claws wouldn't pierce him, they would still break upon a hard slash, from Wolverine's own strength. And if Cyber did the breaking himself, that's still not saying much, as his strength level has never been confirmed to be very great; he appears to have Triathalon/3-D Man strength.

Spidey strength>>>>>>Cyber/3-D Man/Triatholon strength.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
She has class80 strength. 😬

Like I said before, I don't recall it completely, but I seem to remember the claws breaking ON her, not her breaking them herself. I'll see if I can locate the instance.

By the way, I'm pretty sure she was only class 50 in strength when she had Ms. Marvel's powers. Wikipedia says class 80, but I always remembered it being 50. Eh, doesn't matter. Class 50 would also be more than enough to break the bone claws.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Technically, yes. I am making an assumption because bone-claw Wolverine and Spider-Man have never fought. But at the same time, you, too, are making an assumption when you say that Spider-Man cannot break Wolvie's bones, even though they have been shown to be breakable. Durable bones, yes. Unbreakable? No. Breakable by Spidey? Most likely.

Theres a difference. You are just saying Spiderman will break his bones with no proof really. Actually what im saying is you dont know wether he can break his bones but if he can it wont be easy because they are very durable (reasons are the substances that his claws can cut) and he has to fight Wolverine at the sametime.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Cyber had low-level enhanced/ low-level superhuman strength. And aside from the adamantium skin, he's basically Wolverine in every way. So, even though Wolvie's bone claws wouldn't pierce him, they would still break upon a hard slash, from Wolverine's own strength.

I dont see how Wolverine breaking his claws on adamntuim proves that Spiderman can break them.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

And if Cyber did the breaking himself, that's still not saying much, as his strength level has never been confirmed to be very great; he appears to have Triathalon/3-D Man strength.

Spidey strength>>>>>>Cyber/3-D Man/Triatholon strength.

Cyber decimated a jeep with one hand thats not far off from 10 tons.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Like I said before, I don't recall it completely, but I seem to remember the claws breaking ON her, not her breaking them herself. I'll see if I can locate the instance.

To be quite honest her skin is so tough that it can withstand missle fire and guns from warships. Still dont see how that proves Spiderman can break his bones.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

By the way, I'm pretty sure she was only class 50 in strength when she had Ms. Marvel's powers. Wikipedia says class 80, but I always remembered it being 50. Eh, doesn't matter. Class 50 would also be more than enough to break the bone claws.

Alot more than class 10.

At any rate those are examples of Wolverine breaking his claws on people even if Spiderman could break them I dont think hes going to be fast enough to do it.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Theres a difference. You are just saying Spiderman will break his bones with no proof really. Actually what im saying is you dont know wether he can break his bones but if he can it wont be easy because they are very durable (reasons are the substances that his claws can cut) and he has to fight Wolverine at the sametime.

I dont see how Wolverine breaking his claws on adamntuim proves that Spiderman can break them.

Cyber decimated a jeep with one hand thats not far off from 10 tons.

To be quite honest her skin is so tough that it can withstand missle fire and guns from warships. Still dont see how that proves Spiderman can break his bones.

Alot more than class 10.

At any rate those are examples of Wolverine breaking his claws on people even if Spiderman could break them I dont think hes going to be fast enough to do it.

Dammnit, man. You've missed the point. By pointing out that Wolverine has broken his claws ON others means that he broke them using his own strength. It doesn't matter than one had adamantium skin and the other had an invulnerable bio-aura, they weren't the ones breaking the claws. Wolverine's enhanced human strength alone did it against them.

Now think about that. If Wolverine's own strength can break them, why can't Spidey's strength break them?

Also? Where are you getting this Spider-Man being at class 10 stuff? He's more around 20-25 nowadays (sans the recent dumbass retcon, which puts him back around 15 or so). Spidey hasn't been class 10 since his early early days.

And there's my proof for why he can do it. He's consistently shown to be strong enough to break thnigs far more durable than bone (even really durable bone). There's no reason to say that he can't do it, given his abilities.

And yea, I read that wiki entry on Cyber, too. Can you provide a scan on the jeep destruction? Or some detailed description? Because otherwise, we don't really know exactly what he did. Just saying.

when did wolverine break his claws against some one?

Cyber broke them not wolverine, hulk broke them not wolverine ect.

I don't recall a single instances when he broke his claws hitting some one.

actaully spiderman strength is currently back at his classic levels of 10 tons.

Spidey stomps some "peak" brains ..

HF is ofcourse a factor but in this fight Spidey doesnt need the balck suit OR iron armor to beat a Non adamantium clad wolverine.

Wolverine is more skilled H2H fighter so for close quater combat i would give him the advantage.

but overall 7/10 Pete

-2 cents-

Logan not a peak human...............

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Dammnit, man. You've missed the point. By pointing out that Wolverine has broken his claws ON others means that he broke them using his own strength. It doesn't matter than one had adamantium skin and the other had an invulnerable bio-aura, they weren't the ones breaking the claws. Wolverine's enhanced human strength alone did it against them.

Now think about that. If Wolverine's own strength can break them, why can't Spidey's strength break them?

Wolverine strength level can be put at 4 tons and we also need to take into account the durability of the substance, for the most part hes hit very hard substances before and not broken them, so the substance is a key factor here. Spiderman is only a bit more than twice Wolverines strength thats not enough to say he can break it.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Also? Where are you getting this Spider-Man being at class 10 stuff? He's more around 20-25 nowadays (sans the recent dumbass retcon, which puts him back around 15 or so). Spidey hasn't been class 10 since his early early days.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Spider-Man_(Peter_Parker)

Peter can cling to most surfaces, has superhuman strength (able to lift 10 tons optimally)

Note: his power enhancements through his transformation by the Queen and after battling Morlun - including his organic web glands and stingers - have been undone after Spider-Man's deal with Mephisto.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

And there's my proof for why he can do it. He's consistently shown to be strong enough to break thnigs far more durable than bone (even really durable bone). There's no reason to say that he can't do it, given his abilities.

Hes not going to get the chance. Even if he could looking at the durability of the bones Spiderman would need to put alot of strength into and it and somebody of Wolverines speed wont give him the time.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

And yea, I read that wiki entry on Cyber, too. Can you provide a scan on the jeep destruction? Or some detailed description? Because otherwise, we don't really know exactly what he did. Just saying.

Could be wrong but it said he decimated a jeep with one punch. Wiki tends to be quite accurate actually.

Cyber strength's in his original body was never actually clarified BUT he was very strong, in fact he was strong enough to over power Strong Guy... which would mean he was much stronger then Spider-man.

Some general observations and questions:

1) Spiderman has got to be more than a 10 tonner. Even before 'The Other' he was "optimally" lifting more than 10 tons on-panel. And if handbooks or databases are your thing, I'm pretty sure he's listed as being class 15 or class 20 more times than he's listed at class 10.

2) What exactly has Wolverine cut with his bone claws? I know he's scratched concrete and cut through sheet metal... has he sliced through solid concrete or solid metal? Has he sliced through something that's bulletproof with his bone claws?

3) Because I think both Spiderman's symbiote suit and Iron Spidey suit are bulletproof. Anybody have scans of symbiote Spidey's bulletproof nature? His Iron Spidey suit a little bit less so. Point blank bullet would penetrate according to Stark as far as I remember.

4) I think Spiderman could break Wolverine's bones. The truck running over him after 'Fatal Attractions' broke his bones also. Spidey mauling > running over by a truck.

5) Since when did X-23 ever break Wolverine's neck? Or did you mean X-23 readjusted her own snapped neck? And if that's the case, how the hell did that happen since she's got adamantium lacing her bones also?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Some general observations and questions:

1) Spiderman has got to be more than a 10 tonner. Even before 'The Other' he was "optimally" lifting more than 10 tons on-panel. And if handbooks or databases are your thing, I'm pretty sure he's listed as being class 15 or class 20 more times than he's listed at class 10.

2) What exactly has Wolverine cut with his bone claws? I know he's scratched concrete and cut through sheet metal... has he sliced through solid concrete or solid metal? Has he sliced through something that's bulletproof with his bone claws?

3) Because I think both Spiderman's symbiote suit and Iron Spidey suit are bulletproof. Anybody have scans of symbiote Spidey's bulletproof nature? His Iron Spidey suit a little bit less so. Point blank bullet would penetrate according to Stark as far as I remember.

4) I think Spiderman could break Wolverine's bones. The truck running over him after 'Fatal Attractions' broke his bones also. Spidey mauling > running over by a truck.

5) Since when did X-23 ever break Wolverine's neck? Or did you mean X-23 readjusted her own snapped neck? And if that's the case, how the hell did that happen since she's got adamantium lacing her bones also?

She dont have adamantium laced bones, just her claws.