K' vs Yugo Ogami (BR)

Started by Sado222 pages

Are you serious, Sado?!
They are nothing a like, which is why they have different tourney's held for them. Seriously, do you know what seperates all the versions of SF2 before Super Turbo?

only a few months ago you actually agreed with me on this one. sorry, dude, but now i'm skeptical at your remark.

SSF2 Turbo came out on march of 1994, that is before KOF came out with the DM.

....and KoF94 came out when exactly?🙄
again AoF1 and AoF2, FF2 had the concept of "a special move that takes a chunk of the opponent's life" TWO YEARS before SSF2T. what are you even trying to argue, emperor. I can't make it simpler now.

AOF never used supers, the spirit meter regulated special moves only. There were no such thing as a "Super Combo" before SSF2T.

AoF1 and Aof2 had the spirit meter which upon being full when the players life was in danger meant that a hidden super combo could be unleashed...............capcom becomes "innovative" by having a superbar. please. again AoF1 and FF2 do that TWO years before SF.

Super Street Fighter was an incomplete version of Super Turbo which is why it came out so early.

...sorry but don't see your point.

And, if super Combo's aren't ground breaking, why do all SNK games use the Capcom Super System and not the Death Move?

the deathmove idea came first.....so it is what is truly innovative, emperor. And all of SNK games? not really. all the fatal furies and the Art of fighting games didn't use that idea till later. also KoF has the "charging" system which is their own idea. you can charge your gauge and do specials......and continously do it when your life is red. that thing remained in KoF universe from KoF94 all the way till KoF98. so...no dice emperor.

Also, SF invented special moves, so I could easily say AOF opied it from their. Not to mention that FF1 and AOF 1 were terrible, which is why the later installations of the series leeched of Capcom and used the SF2 Engine.

it doesn't matter if they were terrible or not. i never denied that SF invented special moves. i am however denying that the concept of "a huge move that does bigtime damage" is theirs....as it is clearly an idea that SNK came up with. sugar coat it all you want but its a fact and i want you to acknowledge it. you can talk all night of specail gauges and spirit gauges...fact of the matter is: SNK came up with the idea and Capcom borrowed it and modified it somewhat. the IDEA was SNK's.

You don't just make fun of Ryu, dude. You debate against him in fights where he will obviously win. I mean you have a right to do so but doing that takes it to a level beyond making fun of him, that my friend is hate.

it seems to me that you have a problem admitting that people have their own point of views. you think he "obviously" wins in fights that i dont see him winning. someone tells me he beats Jin and I pointed out almost 10 reasons why he wont. you tell me he can solo the entire cast of KoF and i can sit down and give your reasons as to why not till your grandson graudates. THAT my friend is opinion...not hate. and before you start, I've said Ryu wins in many threads and I've said Terry loses in many threads too. all it boils down to, is opinions.

And you call people fanboys, when people can say the same to you and no offense but you do have some serious "fanboy" tendencies some times. Fanboy is a horrible word cuz everyone gets called a fanboy here. So either everyone is a fanboy or everyone here isn't. As long as people can defend there characters reasonably, how can they be fanboys?

when someone tells me crap like "Ryu will beat akuma" or "Ryu will win against the entire cast of KoF" his reputation as a fanboy is already established. if i come up there and say Terry is beating a chick who can shoot beams of ki and take down a battalion of fighter aircrafts with ninpo or whatever, feel free to call me a fanboy. but fact of the matter is you wont hear the crap from my mouth. also if i say "hahahahaha, terry pwns x, because her game sucks", feel free to call me a fanboy too. but if i tell you that Jin will beat down Ryu....i will give you reasons.
you are free to point out where i've NOT given reasons and if what you say is true you'll have me apologize.

Ryu can actually solo MOST KOF bosses, you underrate the lame ass boring bastard that is Ryu

your opinion and i can respect it. but why i don't see this happening now or ever is simple:
-ryu lost to Ken who is a tier below him.
-ryu cannot even beat Sagat who is on the same tier as him or a little better
-ryu can't KO Hugo who despite everyting is only a midtier character

what it boils down to is this:
-if ryu can't beat someone weaker than him (ken) how in the world is he going to defeat, say, Terry who was able to defeat people like Krauser, Geese and Nightmare Geese and hold his own against people like Iori, Kyo, Ryo, etc.
-if ryu can't beat Sagat, how is he beating someone like Iori who is stronger than Goenitz (who was the boss character of KoF96 and with a glimpse of his power turned the whole city to rubble).
-if ryu can't KO a human being (and i don't care how much lard Hugo has on him...he's still human) how is he going to KO demigods and gods like Igniz, Orochi, Goenitz, Orochi new Face team and advanced humanbeings who do screen filling supers by just clenching their fists (Zero).

Remulous said that Ryu wouldn't get one shoted by Talbain but he would still lose rather easily, which is true, so how is that overration?

No...remulus said Ryu will hold his own against a werewolf from a series which has its powerlevels so high the characters of KoF and SF will break their backs just trying to see it.

No one ever said Ryu is stronger then Akuma

correction: remulus again and even darko if memory serves me correct. people like TP and Shinremy insist that they hate ryu, and yet claim that Tekken characters are not even in the same ballpark and say that Ryu will solo hte entire cast....kinda like you regarding what you said about ryu and the kof cast.

I respect your opinion and I never get angry or have any bad blood with anyone on this forum. I just thought that I would point out the flaws in this so called "Ryu overration" literally one person on this video game forum likes old lame Ryu, that being Rem. . . what an out cast.

and yet almost everyone in this forum seems to think that Ryu can curbstomp almost anyone from the KoF series, Tekken series......in fact you yourself claimed that Ryu can solo the KoF roaster. i rest my case. Look i respect your opinon too and if you feel ryu can pwn the entire cast of KoF then fine...but don't expect me to sit there cuz i will argue that point with you.

IMO, SF is better then KOF, in terms of graphics, feel, and gameplay. SF is alround a funner game to play then KOF and so is Fatal Fury. KOF needs to take a back seat for a while.

i can repsect that.

~Sado

oh and you might want to see this emperor:
http://www.fightersgeneration.com/main.htm

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
only a few months ago you actually agreed with me on this one. sorry, dude, but now i'm skeptical at your remark.

I don't remember ever agreeing with a comment like that my friend. You mind quoting because the different updates of SF2 are very different. After Super Turbo is an exception.

Originally posted by Sado22

....and KoF94 came out when exactly?🙄
again AoF1 and AoF2, FF2 had the concept of "a special move that takes a chunk of the opponent's life" TWO YEARS before SSF2T. what are you even trying to argue, emperor. I can't make it simpler now.

Sado, KOF 94 came out on August 25, 1994 while Super Turbo came out on march of 1994. And, Special moves were first implemented in SF so I could easily say AOF copied the idea from Capcom. Also, Spirit meter is not a Super Combo there were no supers in AOF what so ever. The Spirit Meter regulated specials moves only. There was no such thing as a Super Combo until ST.

Originally posted by Sado22

AoF1 and Aof2 had the spirit meter which upon being full when the players life was in danger meant that a hidden super combo could be unleashed...............capcom becomes "innovative" by having a superbar. please. again AoF1 and FF2 do that TWO years before SF.

And, Again Spirit Meter is not Super Combo since no such thing exsisted. The only Similarity between said concepts are the fact that they have bars. Also, the Super Combo came out before the Death Move. Not to mention that SNK does not use DM anymore, they use Super Combo.

Originally posted by Sado22

...sorry but don't see your point.

It was a reply to your comment about Super SF and Super Turbo being the same.

Originally posted by Sado22

the deathmove idea came first.....so it is what is truly innovative, emperor. And all of SNK games?

Nope, Death Move came in August of 94 while Super Combo came out in March of 94.

Originally posted by Sado22

not really. all the fatal furies and the Art of fighting games didn't use that idea till later. also KoF has the "charging" system which is their own idea.

If your talking about Stocks Supers, Vampire/Dark Stalkers was the one that implemented that in July of 94. The only difference is that Vampire used numbers to indicate Stocks versus KOF which uses dots to indicate said stocks.

Originally posted by Sado22

it doesn't matter if they were terrible or not. i never denied that SF invented special moves. i am however denying that the concept of "a huge move that does bigtime damage" is theirs

What, everything did big tme damage back in the day. The main characteristic of a Super Combo is:

-Your Invincible when you perform it
-It's not a Special Move
-You can only perform it when your bar is full

VS the Spirit Meter

-Special moves Regulated by Bar
-Strength of move depends on Bar
-No Invincible Frames
-No Super Combo

No Dice, Sado

That's like me saying Vega's Barceleno Drop is a mimic of 3 on 3 line up because they both have back ground interactions. Your simply nitpicking one point I.E. Bar Regulated attacks and claiming Capcom copied.

I concede the point, AOF did have a what's known as a "Super Deathmove", but Supers in a mordern context owe it to capcom. I also still stand by my poin that SF is one of the most innovative fighters.

Also, As I said earlier the concept for Stocking Supers was not created by KOF.

EDIT: BTW, Supers weren't a standard until Super Turbo came out. They were only a bonus in AOF.

Originally posted by Sado22
it seems to me that you have a problem admitting that people have their own point of views. you think he "obviously" wins in fights that i dont see him winning. someone tells me he beats Jin and I pointed out almost 10 reasons why he wont. you tell me he can solo the entire cast of KoF and i can sit down and give your reasons as to why not till your grandson graudates. THAT my friend is opinion...not hate. and before you start, I've said Ryu wins in many threads and I've said Terry loses in many threads too. all it boils down to, is opinions.
I don't have any problems. The reasons you give that Ryu loses in many battles are kind of inadequate and don't really change the battle.

EXAMPLE:
Jin can can wreck a forest, but Ryu is stronger then Alpha 2 Gouki, who can sink an island.

No one ever said he can solo the KOF cast. When you start to make false accusations just so you can talk about a character, is a sign of hate, Sado. You said Ryu has won 3 times out of dozens of battles. Ryu losing to Kyo and Iori, c'mon Sado.

Originally posted by Sado22
when someone tells me crap like "Ryu will beat akuma" or "Ryu will win against the entire cast of KoF" his reputation as a fanboy is already established. if i come up there and say Terry is beating a chick who can shoot beams of ki and take down a battalion of fighter aircrafts with ninpo or whatever, feel free to call me a fanboy. but fact of the matter is you wont hear the crap from my mouth. also if i say "hahahahaha, terry pwns x, because her game sucks", feel free to call me a fanboy too. but if i tell you that Jin will beat down Ryu....i will give you reasons.
you are free to point out where i've NOT given reasons and if what you say is true you'll have me apologize.
No one ever said Ryu will beat Gouki or take the cast of KOF, who said that? You said Jinpachi and Jin can destroy the world, serious fanboy symptoms, far worse then what was stated in the Terry VS Ayane thread, but I wont call you a fanboy. Jin beating Ryu is your opinion and that's cool.

Originally posted by Sado22
your opinion and i can respect it. but why i don't see this happening now or ever is simple:
-ryu lost to Ken who is a tier below him.
-ryu cannot even beat Sagat who is on the same tier as him or a little better
-ryu can't KO Hugo who despite everyting is only a midtier character
-Ken is not a tier below Ryu, I see you go by the erroneous Tiamat. Ryu and Ken are on the same levels, Ryu is just a bit better. And Ken will do a fine job of soloing some KOF bosses him self. You grossly underrate SF.
-That doesn't make since Sado, he can't beat Sagat because Sagat is better. Sagat can solo many KOF bosses better then Ryu or Ken can.
-Hugo aint midteir and his durability level is top tier, what is up with this whole tier thing, that really shouldn't be used.

Originally posted by Sado22
what it boils down to is this:
-if ryu can't beat someone weaker than him (ken) how in the world is he going to defeat, say, Terry who was able to defeat people like Krauser, Geese and Nightmare Geese and hold his own against people like Iori, Kyo, Ryo, etc.
-if ryu can't beat Sagat, how is he beating someone like Iori who is stronger than Goenitz (who was the boss character of KoF96 and with a glimpse of his power turned the whole city to rubble).
-if ryu can't KO a human being (and i don't care how much lard Hugo has on him...he's still human) how is he going to KO demigods and gods like Igniz, Orochi, Goenitz, Orochi new Face team and advanced humanbeings who do screen filling supers by just clenching their fists (Zero).
-You're not making since Sado, Ken beat Ryu because at the time, Ken was better, and Ken in all honesty is better then 85% of the KOF. And Ryu won the last battle, so you keep bringing this up give hints at hate activities.
-Iori can't beat Sagat, Iori isn't stronger then Goenitz, and Goenitz didn't destroy a city with a glimpse of his power.
-That human being is far more durable then those demigods who were killed by normal humans and characters who have screen filling supers got beat by characters who don't. This is what I mean, the reasons you give aren't really good because they have far too many flaws. You have a serious problem with this: just because a person is not human does not make them automatically stronger, it doesn't work that way Sado.

Originally posted by Sado22
No...remulus said Ryu will hold his own against a werewolf from a series which has its powerlevels so high the characters of KoF and SF will break their backs just trying to see it.
He didn't mean that and he has stated that several times. Now your ignoring facts so that you can talk down on a character and the supporter, that's more hate then it is opinion.

Originally posted by Sado22
correction: remulus again and even darko if memory serves me correct. people like TP and Shinremy insist that they hate ryu, and yet claim that Tekken characters are not even in the same ballpark and say that Ryu will solo hte entire cast....kinda like you regarding what you said about ryu and the kof cast.
You got it all misconstrued Sado, I didn't say he could solo the KOF bosses all at once, I mean, he can beat most KOF bosses in a 1 on 1. And frankly, Ryu can take anybody in Tekken in 1 on 1, he MIGHT only lose to Jinpachi.

Originally posted by Sado22
and yet almost everyone in this forum seems to think that Ryu can curbstomp almost anyone from the KoF series, Tekken series......in fact you yourself claimed that Ryu can solo the KoF roaster. i rest my case. Look i respect your opinon too and if you feel ryu can pwn the entire cast of KoF then fine...but don't expect me to sit there cuz i will argue that point with you.
No one has ever said that, yet more false accusations. Once again, I did not say he can take out all of KOF at once, I said he can beat MOST KOF bosses in a 1 on 1, not all at the same time, no one has ever said he can take out the entire cast by himself. When you read things you seem to take them to a whole nother level every one knows Ryu can't solo any fighting game cast.

just so that we understand eachother, by "specials" i mean the big moves like power geyser or haoshikken or shinkuu hadouken...not the regular moves like haoduken or powerwave. its kind of a thing where I live. we either say specials or powers. lost in translation i guess huh?

I concede the point, AOF did have a what's known as a "Super Deathmove", but Supers in a mordern context owe it to capcom. I also still stand by my point that SF is one of the most innovative fighters.

so we understand eachother. good. also notice that AoF itslelf introduced the long remained feature of SNK games where you could "charge up" your power and unleash the super deathmove. that became an SNK staple like i said...going so far as KoF98. KoF had the charging system for the power gauge and upon being full you could unleash the huge ass move thingy/specails/supers/DM's whatever (the shinkuuhadouken things). so again, SNK remains innovative with it since not only did the implement their own style...but invented the concept itself.
by the way, i will wholeheartedly agree that SF is the most innovative fighter since all the games today are here because of SF. never doubted that either. it started it all. the only problem i have is the lack of effort put into sustaining this "innovation". we understand each other?

Clark/Ralf

they had the similar appearance in KoF94-KoF98. they changed that later on since KoF99. also their moves set is TOTALLY different. Clark is NOTHING like Ralf. also their DM's are a world apart.

Vice/Mature

true as far as the sprites go. similar color scheme and different hair. however, again the moveset is unique to each of them. vice is a grappler and powerbased while Mature is the faster, combo oreinted.

Shingo/Kyo

Shingo and Kyo are similar in sprites again and the older Kyo and he had the similar color scheme. KoF99....and its a new ballpark. not to mention Shingo only has Kyo's OLDER moves and that too only a variation of them. not to mention the fact that shingo doesn't even have Kyo's chain moves. no dice emp.

~Sado
P.S. i'm surprised how many people are using the expression "no dice" on KMC now. i should sue you all! 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Sado22
just so that we understand eachother, by "specials" i mean the big moves like power geyser or haoshikken or shinkuu hadouken...not the regular moves like haoduken or powerwave. its kind of a thing where I live. we either say specials or powers. lost in translation i guess huh?

Yeah, I'm aware of that. Sado. (:

Originally posted by Sado22

so again, SNK remains innovative with it since not only did the implement their own style...but invented the concept itself.
by the way, i will wholeheartedly agree that SF is the most innovative fighter since all the games today are here because of SF. never doubted that either. it started it all. the only problem i have is the lack of effort put into sustaining this "innovation". we understand each other?

This is where I disaree, SF has implemented so many concepts since the series started all the way up till the last SF.

Here are some of their implaments:

-Supers of varying Strength Via Alpha
-Custom Combo's
-2 in 1's
-High & Low Blocks
-Blovking how it's done in general
-Standardized Super Combo's in general
-Team Battle (SF:CE came out with for the Sega/Megadrive it in 93'😉
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Originally posted by Sado22

they had the similar appearance in KoF94-KoF98. they changed that later on since KoF99. also their moves set is TOTALLY different. Clark is NOTHING like Ralf. also their DM's are a world apart.

true as far as the sprites go. similar color scheme and different hair. however, again the moveset is unique to each of them. vice is a grappler and powerbased while Mature is the faster, combo oreinted.

Shingo and Kyo are similar in sprites again and the older Kyo and he had the similar color scheme. KoF99....and its a new ballpark. not to mention Shingo only has Kyo's OLDER moves and that too only a variation of them. not to mention the fact that shingo doesn't even have Kyo's chain moves. no dice emp.

Your missing the point Sado, Ralf/Clark were head swaps when first came on the scene. They had the exact same moves except for two: J.RH and DM. They only became different later on, the same applies for everyone else I named. Sure, they play different now, but they were in the same department as the shoto's when they first came out. Also, Sh

~Sado
P.S. i'm surprised how many people are using the expression "no dice" on KMC now. i should sue you all! 😮‍💨 [/B][/QUOTE]