Kids raised with Religion.

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Kids raised with Religion.

I came upon this article this morning and thought it was worth sharing. I know it's just one study but my personal experience growing up supports the article.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070424/sc_livescience/studyreligionisgoodforkids

Study: Religion is Good for Kids

Kids with religious parents are better behaved and adjusted than other children, according to a new study that is the first to look at the effects of religion on young child development.

The conflict that arises when parents regularly argue over their faith at home, however, has the opposite effect.

John Bartkowski, a Mississippi State University sociologist and his colleagues asked the parents and teachers of more than 16,000 kids, most of them first-graders, to rate how much self control they believed the kids had, how often they exhibited poor or unhappy behavior and how well they respected and worked with their peers.

The researchers compared these scores to how frequently the children’s parents said they attended worship services, talked about religion with their child and argued abut religion in the home.

The kids whose parents regularly attended religious services—especially when both parents did so frequently—and talked with their kids about religion were rated by both parents and teachers as having better self-control, social skills and approaches to learning than kids with non-religious parents.

But when parents argued frequently about religion, the children were more likely to have problems. “Religion can hurt if faith is a source of conflict or tension in the family,” Bartkowski noted.

Why so good?

Bartkowski thinks religion can be good for kids for three reasons. First, religious networks provide social support to parents, he said, and this can improve their parenting skills. Children who are brought into such networks and hear parental messages reinforced by other adults may also “take more to heart the messages that they get in the home,” he said.

Secondly, the types of values and norms that circulate in religious congregations tend to be self-sacrificing and pro-family, Bartkowski told LiveScience. These “could be very, very important in shaping how parents relate to their kids, and then how children develop in response,” he said.

Finally, religious organizations imbue parenting with sacred meaning and significance, he said.

University of Virginia sociologist W. Bradford Wilcox, who was not involved in the study, agrees. At least for the most religious parents, “getting their kids into heaven is more important than getting their kids into Harvard,” Wilcox said.

But as for why religious organizations might provide more of a boost to family life than secular organizations designed to do the same thing, that’s still somewhat of a mystery, said Annette Mahoney, a psychologist at Bowling Green State University in Ohio, also not involved in the research. Mahoney wondered: “Is there anything about religion and spirituality that sets it apart?”

Unanswered questions

Bartkowski points out that one limitation of his study, to be published in the journal Social Science Research, is that it did not compare how denominations differed with regards to their effects on kids.

“We really don’t know if conservative Protestant kids are behaving better than Catholic kids or behaving better than mainline Protestant kids or Jewish kids,” he said.

It’s also possible that the correlation between religion and child development is the other way around, he said. In other words, instead of religion having a positive effect on youth, maybe the parents of only the best behaved children feel comfortable in a religious congregation.

“There are certain expectations about children’s behavior within a religious context, particularly within religious worship services,” he said. These expectations might frustrate parents, he said, and make congregational worship “a less viable option if they feel their kids are really poorly behaved.”

I did some research on Mr. Bartkowski and all of his research and conclusions have been based on Christianity. His research has been based solely on the United States and his conclusions fail to take the same outcomes in non-christian familys for granted, on top of ignoring the same results in non-US, non-christian familys.

Originally posted by Devil King
I did some research on Mr. Bartkowski and all of his research and conclusions have been based on Christianity. His research has been based solely on the United States and his conclusions fail to take the same outcomes in non-christian familys for granted, on top of ignoring the same results in non-US, non-christian familys.

I knew it was a pile of horse shit. Thanks for clearing that up Devil King. 😄

Well the good thing is, he is considering the limitations of his research. Then again, if he didn't he would be open to more critisism then he will be now.

Perhaps instead of saying ''religion''maybe he should specify Christianity, or better which branch.
These type of researches should, in theory take years of constant data collection, of new children and those who are growing up, in order to come up with a relevant conclusion.

Also, as Devil King points out, it is exclusively in USA, mainly with Christianity. He also does not consider socio-economic factors, and those are more often than not very important as well.

It is interesting idea and research.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I knew it was a pile of horse shit. Thanks for clearing that up Devil King. 😄

Why exactly is it a pile of shit? Because you disagree with Christianity?
Or do you have any more examples as to why his research has limitations, apart from ones already mentioned by Devil King and myself?

its not a big pile

there is a lot of research along this line

it has to do with the fact that for children, churches normally offer better social support and in-groups then for other children.

Studies like these don't show the benefit of religion, but more emphasize the places where we can improve in the secular part of society

also to what devil king is saying, the lack of other religious groups is a huge problem, but there are many more minority group issues that probably affect their lives more than their social groups (though there are studies that show minority in groups are better at supporting individuals than majority ones).

The "religion is good" conclusion is probably wrong, however, things like religious people being happier or living longer is pretty consistent.

Originally posted by Devil King
his conclusions fail to take [into consideration] the same outcomes in non-christian familys

I worded that incorrectly, but I'm glad everyone seems to have understood anyway.

His conclusions fail to take into consideration the same outcome in non-christian familys and fail to consider the same results in non-US and non-Christian familys.

But, to specify what I meant by all of Mr. Bartowski's research and conclusions, it isn't limited to this study, it's all of his research and conclusions. They're all based on christianity, and more specifically christianity in the United States. He's written many studies, and his conclusions never change.

His research, then can only be applied to USA today. However in the scope of social research, one should search for answers on a more general scale.

Or at least specify that all research applies to certain Americans, with certain standards, certain socio-economic background, certain lifestyle and certain religion.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Why exactly is it a pile of shit? Because you disagree with Christianity?
Or do you have any more examples as to why his research has limitations, apart from ones already mentioned by Devil King and myself?

I was raised a Christian, and my father was a minister.

Originally posted by inimalist
The "religion is good" conclusion is probably wrong, however, things like religious people being happier or living longer is pretty consistent.

I agree it has to do with social support and this kind of thing, but the research can be easily extrapolated arriving at more conclusions(precipitated ones) than it should, like "Religion is Good".

It is interesting anyway that the very title of the article holds the extrapolated conclusion in it.

Social and Economic conditions play a huge role in this. As well as promoting a goal-orientation for children, which helps improve thier confidense and self control.

So what ?

Children who are involved in Arts and Sports also are in far more control and better behaved than children who go to school, then go home and do nothing all day.

It's the supportive environment and discipline that makes these children behave better, not the fundamentals of the religion itself.

Also, much of that research is one-sided.

Bullying DOES occur in Christian private schools just as often as it does in Public schools:

http://www.rainbowsashmovement.com/New_Web_Site_12_18_04/Stories/People_of_God.htm

http://www.tcnj.edu/~miller8/Bullying.htm

I strongly beleive that it is the Disciple that matters, and not what religion you are.

If a religious family can promote discipline for thier children and help them become socially able, than I think that is wondorful.

However, a non-religious family can do just as well.

*I went to Catholic school all my life, and I was bullied in every grade. The conclusion that a religion is what makes a person good, smart, etc. is a false one.

Good points everybody. As we see everyday, Religion can be perverted into a terrible thing. I think most Religion can be positive but I don't consider it defining for raising children. For me, it gave me boundaries and helped me to grasp the differences between right and wrong. I can honestly say that having a very supportive family, great friends, strong girlfriends and Religion all helped me to be a better person.

I would also like to add that I was brought up Catholic and went to a Catholic school for 12 years. Not once were we taught that all gays, Muslims, Buddhists, un-Baptized, etc were all going to Hell. We were taught tolerance for everybody.

Originally posted by Badabing
I would also like to add that I was brought up Catholic and went to a Catholic school for 12 years. Not once were we taught that all gays, Muslims, Buddhists, un-Baptized, etc were all going to Hell. We were taught tolerance for everybody.

I was not taught in Catholic School that Gays were going to Hell.

Elementary School ignored the subject of Homosexuality entirely. Homosexual slanders such as "f@g" and "d*ke" were used a lot by Catholic kids who bullied other kids, including myself. Instead of arguing that there was nothing wrong with homosexuality, the teachers and administration argued "Do not call people Gay. That is a Bad Word.

My Catholic High School was different. We were taught to respect the religious, cultural, racial, and sexual differences of other people.

However, homophobia among students was still high as ever, and my only point was that bullying exists equally in private AND public schools.

Religion is bad for children, then again.. it's bad for everyone.

Meh, I think its generalizing a bit, but whatever. I grew up without religion and I'm fine.

I grew up raised very religious. It warped my view on life and tragedies. I believe it's much better to study all beliefs then make a choice on the bigger picture.

Originally posted by Devil King
I did some research on Mr. Bartkowski and all of his research and conclusions have been based on Christianity. His research has been based solely on the United States and his conclusions fail to take the same outcomes in non-christian familys for granted, on top of ignoring the same results in non-US, non-christian familys.

Thanks for saving me the effort 🙂

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
*I went to Catholic school all my life, and I was bullied in every grade.

Were you bullied for your sexuality?

Originally posted by Alliance
Thanks for saving me the effort 🙂

You're welcome.

Or were you bullied because every kid was bullied...except for the bullies of course...

I was raised with religion, but I turned out fine anyway 🙂