Originally posted by UniOmniWell, Robin did beat Batgirl/Cass twice recently, and he's led multiple superteams.
Alright.Lets do it like this, shall we?
On the consistent average of either, who shows more skill?
And to whoever said something about my love/bias for DC, kik rocks!
I get tired of people making like WW shows anymore skill consistently than Robin, a true C list hth combatant.
I'm just tired of people showing the occasional outlier showing(see her beating Shiva) as viable proof that WW is a top tier hth combatant who'd really hang with any notable streets, when she's never presented as that hardcore in hth consistently.
She's really like a woman who'd been mugged, and now is in training to prevent that from happening again.
Tim even before his unpredictable = beating Cassie bs would've ranked higher in consistent hth skill than Wondy.
Originally posted by UniOmniGiven that she's pretty much the best warrior out of a race of warriors who train daily, I have to disagree.
I'm just tired of people showing the occasional outlier showing(see her beating Shiva) as viable proof that WW is a top tier hth combatant who'd really hang with any notable streets, when she's never presented as that hardcore in hth consistently.She's really like a woman who'd been mugged, and now is in training to prevent that from happening again.
Tim even before his unpredictable = beating Cassie bs would've ranked higher in consistent hth skill than Wondy.
Originally posted by Juntai
Well, Robin did beat Batgirl/Cass twice recently, and he's led multiple superteams.
People don't give Tim his credit.
Diana is simply much better. I mean, she's been trained by the best fighters on Earth since childhood. She learned how to break a man's arm when she was still a toddler. She trained every damn day until she was twenty-two and then she became Wonder Woman. Then she trained with Batman, Shiva, Black Canary, Starfire, Richard Dragon, and dozens of other martial artists to increase her repoitoire.
And unfortunately for Robin, Wonder Woman's I Ching saga is now back in continuity. That means all the Pre-Crisis tales of WW being powerless and blowing through entire armies using her training is viable proof of her skill.
Robin isn't anywhere near her skill level....
He's only had about a half decade of training (he became Robin III at age 13. He's stated to be about 17 to 18 right now). Every single one of his teachers have already taught Diana to a much longer length.
I mean, really, this is a no-brainer.
And Black Canary is a top-tier fighter now. She's arguably better than Nightwing due to her new training as she followed the path of Shiva. Robin doesn't hold a candle to her.
I would say that Robin is a better fighter than Wonder-Girl though...
Originally posted by Juntai
Given that she's pretty much the best warrior out of a race of warriors who train daily, I have to disagree.
All these adulatious remarks make the fact that she's really not that comparable to streets smell even more.
She's the best out of a group of immortal women warriors....true.
But is it consistently shown that she's above a C list hth combatant Jun?
Really?
Thor is in the same position as WW, but he's even worse in real hth showings.
I don't care what adulations she gets, since J'onn gets the same.
I wanna debate how much hth skill she's actually shown on a consistent basis.
Her average vs His average.
Thor is a better HTH combatant than Robin too....
Thor, WW, and Hercules are all better than Robin in HTH combat. They just don't display it as often because they have all their other nifty powers that take the spotlight.
Robin however doesn't have any powers so his HTH takes the spotlight.
Thanos is also a better HTH combatant than Tim. So is Doctor Strange. However they rarely show it simply because they don't need to. It doesn't diminish the fact that they could kick his ass in HTH if they needed to....
See, these outlier type showings don't mean much to me, cuz it just makes the fact that they DO get their asses handed to them even more telling of their intelligence.
WW is comparable to Batman in hth skill?
Well, i guess she gets beat on at will by Superman and DD, since Superman is to WW, what Bane is to Batman.
It doesn't make her look any better to say that all these years she's been taking the beating because she likes them.
Originally posted by UniOmni
See, these outlier type showings don't mean much to me, cuz it just makes the fact that they DO get their asses handed to them even more telling of their intelligence.WW is comparable to Batman in hth skill?
Well, i guess she gets beat on at will by Superman and DD, since Superman is to WW, what Bane is to Batman.
It doesn't make her look any better to say that all these years she's been taking the beating because she likes them.
WW SHOULD be like Xena when she goes HTH with Superman however company politics will always show Diana fighting like a dunce. In her comics, she fights smart and use HTH regularly. When she's up against Superman or Doomsday she suddenly forgets her warrior skills and she opts to lasso their wrist or something...
It's company politics. I'm not saying Diana would win against Superman however it WOULD be nice to see Diana fight like she does in her own comics: like a HTH master instead "wee, let's flail my arms wildly and hope for the best!"....
Again, read her I Ching saga.
Originally posted by Draco69
Diana is simply much better. I mean, she's been trained by the best fighters on Earth since childhood. She learned how to break a man's arm when she was still a toddler. She trained every damn day until she was twenty-two and then she became Wonder Woman. Then she trained with Batman, Shiva, Black Canary, Starfire, Richard Dragon, and dozens of other martial artists to increase her repoitoire.And unfortunately for Robin, Wonder Woman's I Ching saga is now back in continuity. That means all the Pre-Crisis tales of WW being powerless and blowing through entire armies using her training is viable proof of her skill.
Robin isn't anywhere near her skill level....
He's only had about a half decade of training (he became Robin III at age 13. He's stated to be about 17 to 18 right now). Every single one of his teachers have already taught Diana to a much longer length.
I mean, really, this is a no-brainer.
And Black Canary is a top-tier fighter now. She's arguably better than Nightwing due to her new training as she followed the path of Shiva. Robin doesn't hold a candle to her.
I would say that Robin is a better fighter than Wonder-Girl though...
I wouldn't say she's better than NW cause he and Bruce and Tim all during the year went training around the world where Bruce did during the 52 year.
Originally posted by Superherovandal
I wouldn't say she's better than NW cause he and Bruce and Tim all during the year went training around the world where Bruce did during the 52 year.
Actually Nightwing skipped out of the training after about 6 weeks. Remember, he went back to Gotham to help out the new Batwoman?
Black Canary however spent the year in 52 following the path of Shiva. So she's probably better than him.
Noone has Nightwing beat in agility though.