Originally posted by JuntaiWhat feats are you referring to? Because I almost never cite PIS, indeed I make a conscious effort to explain instances, but I at the same time, do believe plenty of people can beat Superman.
Most people on the forum, you'll realise, just put most of Superman's feats-- in any incarnation -- down as PIS and bullshit writing . It's the only reason they still believe a lot of characters can beat Superman ... because they completely disregard evidence of what he can and has done, and in many cases - consistantly..often while touting a while touting something that has no such consistancy.
Originally posted by JuntaiAh, so you and nvrbeenwthagrl are grasping at his so-called 'boom-tube feat' in Superman/Batman. I think that it is eminently more reasonable to assume that he had a motherbox with him at the time. Indeed, he used a motherbox to travel to Apokolips the first time. He also completely planned the Darkseid encounter. There is no spontaneity element in the encounter. Therefore, if he intended to take him to the Source Wall, it would be logical for him to carry a motherbox with him in order to carry out the plan.
Superman is very versatile in his own right. And yes, he does have telepathy. Can create projections of himself. Has created a boom-tube seemingly by flying fast[a form of teleportation - as he was never mentioned nor depicted having a motherbox in the story!?]. Used his heat vision to fix the atmosphere. Rubbed his hands together and sealed an wormhole in the space/time continuum. and hundreds of other things beyond what most consider his basic powerset. And yes, all current Superman...--- All Star only having a handful of issues out however, has not done a lot of these. It's part of the problem of one character with a vast history vs one halfway through its first year..
The fact that he used it prior to the boom-tube feat and that he was conscious of where he would take Darkseid is evidence that he had it with him, rather than him creating the boom-tube solo. Indeed, the inherent weakness in this argument is that he never commented, nor thought, nor exhibited any capability in the story to do it solo. The fact that he used a motherbox prior and was aware of Darkseid's arrival tips the argument towards the motherbox theory. Just my two cents.
The heatvision fixing the atmosphere. Can you elucidate that feat for me? I remember the one where he fixed the gravity of Earth with hv and ice-breath.
And personally, I am not impressed by his handling of the tear of reality by rubbing his hands together. All he did was create a massive amount of static electricity to create a field to contain it. He did not actually fix the tear, as it still remained. All he did was create a heavy electromagnetic field around it.
Think back to when Superman was created. Were there any powers out at that time they didnt give superman aside from telepathy and invisibility? He was flawed from the start, and has been made worse by writers conducting their comics like Dragon Ball Z episodes.
As for Thanos, yes he has gotten ridiculously strong, but thats the point of the character. He is "That big badguy" that the heroes need to rally against. Ever since he was created, his main driving point has basically been gaining power, through physical, mystical, and technological means. Villains are supposed to be the ones pulling off these feats.
i know he's like big bad villain but i never see dr doom fighting tyrant and not breaking so much as a bone JUST cause, or fighting odin and not being mauled, when dr doom tried getting powers in secret wars, he almost got toasted by galactus, and again before that kang almost took him out. Im just saying that just cause its thanos doesnt mean he should be beating everyone in marvel, is there anyone who doesnt job to him.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0All respectable points of view for sure -- rare from you -- and I wasn't specifically pointing you out in the above post about how people throw away his feats, as I generally don't reference you or read your posts at all, given the way you overrationalise hyperbole to some characters, while downplaying others. Take the Tenebrous and Aegis vs Spectre thread for instance.
What feats are you referring to? Because I almost never cite PIS, indeed I make a conscious effort to explain instances, but I at the same time, do believe plenty of people can beat Superman.
Ah, so you and nvrbeenwthagrl are grasping at his so-called 'boom-tube feat' in Superman/Batman. I think that it is eminently more reasonable to assume that he had a motherbox with him at the time. Indeed, he used a motherbox to travel to Apokolips the first time. He also completely planned the Darkseid encounter. There is no spontaneity element in the encounter. Therefore, if he intended to take him to the Source Wall, it would be logical for him to carry a motherbox with him in order to carry out the plan.The fact that he used it prior to the boom-tube feat and that he was conscious of where he would take Darkseid is evidence that he had it with him, rather than him creating the boom-tube solo. Indeed, the inherent weakness in this argument is that he never commented, nor thought, nor exhibited any capability in the story to do it solo. The fact that he used a motherbox prior and was aware of Darkseid's arrival tips the argument towards the motherbox theory. Just my two cents.
The heatvision fixing the atmosphere. Can you elucidate that feat for me? I remember the one where he fixed the gravity of Earth with hv and ice-breath.
And personally, I am not impressed by his handling of the tear of reality by rubbing his hands together. All he did was create a massive amount of static electricity to create a field to contain it. He did not actually fix the tear, as it still remained. All he did was create a heavy electromagnetic field around it.
Actually, in Superman/Batman, what page exactly was he depicted as opening a Boom Tube, or having a motherbox, or anything of the sort?
Granted, I do believe it's could be rationalised that he may have had some boom tube tech on him, however, the story never wrote as much, or depicted such on panel iirc.
Originally posted by JuntaiYou have points of view that I consider reasonable as well. But it is apparent to me that you are perfectly willing to assume anything favorable to your position or your character, even though an equally or more plausible explanation exists. And the only leap of logic I made in T&A thread was that they a part of cosmic consonance like Galactus, considering their origins, their so-called roles as Proemiel Elders and their status as the only 3 Proemiel Elders left. I don't consider that hyperbole in the least. I made an analogy and projected similarities to make a point. Are you referring to some other "hyperbole," I made in that thread? Just because you don't believe Spectre to be beatable, doesn't change the fact that Spectre has been pantsed, manipulated, made mistakes, and forced to steal magic to win. And just because you are so quickly and perfectly willing to assume that all those are PIS-driven, doesn't mean that others are. It's only logical that most people on these forums start bringing him down a notch.
All respectable points of view for sure -- rare from you -- and I wasn't specifically pointing you out in the above post about how people throw away his feats, as I generally don't reference you or read your posts at all, given the way you overrationalise hyperbole to some characters, while downplaying others. Take the Tenebrous and Aegis vs Spectre thread for instance.Actually, in Superman/Batman, what page exactly was he depicted as opening a Boom Tube, or having a motherbox, or anything of the sort?
Granted, I do believe it's could be rationalised that he may have had some boom tube tech on him, however, the story never wrote as much, or depicted such on panel iirc.
I don't have my comics in my NYC apartment. I leave em in my parent's house, there are just too many. But when they first go to and leave from Apokolips, they do have motherboxes with them. They make specific references to them. Your only rationalization that he did it himself is that they didn't depict him clicking one on. That is indeed, your sole reasoning for it. It is completely circumstantial. Considering they had motherboxes with them on their rescue mission and they are never depicted on panel to be holding them, it makes the later scene consistent with the artist's choice of depiction. Indeed, Turner was too lazy to even show what his interpretation of a motherbox was. That combined with Superman never hinting, thinking or showing such an ability beforehand and since then, makes your reasoning facially weak. Indeed, some of your contemporaries are not willing to go so far and assume as much as you do, batdude123, for instance. My reasoning is not just rational. It is obvious.
And you still didn't answer my question. What feat of Superman's do you think Superman-haters consider to be PIS? In my opinion, he's done nothing that you couldn't find another character doing or surpassing.
Originally posted by redhotrash
Mider, I really cant understand where your coming from... You keep comparing Dr. Doom to Thanos. Why not compare Stiltman to Thanos then? They are different level characters. Really not sure what you dont understand about this.
Because Doom IS Thanos.
Thanos just operates on a larger scale and has a set of nifty eternal cosmic powers.
Originally posted by Evil_Ash
He's human. That's the only reason anyone likes Doom more than Thanos.Fanboys can draw their erotic manga style-like pictures of Doom with their crappy fan-made character and write adult fiction about Doom without have to worry that he's some big ugly purple turtle.
Get it? dur
Actualy there's very little Doom/OC pictures that I know of.
Let's check the adult fiction...............
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Thanos ACTUALY has MORE then DOOM !!!!
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