I don't need feats, Moria said in the issue before Cable and Nate first faced off that his power level was at Dark Phoenix's level. Jean and Rachel without the Phoenix have no feats that would suggest that they could beat Nate. And Cable is a weaker version of him, which suggests that Nate would crush him. Feats aren't always needed. You might as well ask for feats as to why Jarvis couldn't beat the Hulk.
Originally posted by Starhawk
I don't need feats, Moria said in the issue before Cable and Nate first faced off that his power level was at Dark Phoenix's level. Jean and Rachel without the Phoenix have no feats that would suggest that they could beat Nate. And Cable is a weaker version of him, which suggests that Nate would crush him. Feats aren't always needed. You might as well ask for feats as to why Jarvis couldn't beat the Hulk.
That's a horrible example.
Nate's potential isn't above Cable's potential, and they're below Dark Phoenix level. The only reason why X-man would ever defeat these people, is because he produces an insane amount of telekinetic/telepathic energy.
I don't think that Rachel or Jean can go toe to toe against Holocaust, which Nate obviously can. However, this is because their fighting styles are very similar, brute and raw power.
You can't defeat Jean or Rachel with raw power alone.
All 4 can produce near infinite level of TP/TK.
Jean and Rachael are still confirmed Omegas.
While Cable and X-Man seem to fit the Alpha level description.
X-Man takes this, simply because he is able to harness, manipulate, and control his powers farther then its siblings.
Evidence.
TP
Linking the mind of a person across the multiverse with her alternate self’s.
Locating and picking up 12 telepaths among 10 million people.
Precognition
Mind Manipulation (reading, erasing, etc..)
TK (aka Hard Psi)
Crushing an entire city with a thought.
Manipulating its organic structure.
Manipulating solid structure.
Manipulating matter to a sub atomic level.
Psi (aka Soft Psi)
Creating (reviving?) Madelyn Pryor
Creating Gweyn Stacy.
Creating constructs out of Psi energy
Entering the astral plane.
Creating images from the astral plane.
Pulling in and out structures from the astral plane.
Dimensional Crossing. (Multiverse level)
Dimensional Teleportation (Multiverse level)
There are more feats, but those are the ones that I remember of the top of my mind.
I think X-Mans respect thread needs some updating.
Originally posted by llagrok
That's a horrible example.Nate's potential isn't above Cable's potential, and they're below Dark Phoenix level. The only reason why X-man would ever defeat these people, is because he produces an insane amount of telekinetic/telepathic energy.
I don't think that Rachel or Jean can go toe to toe against Holocaust, which Nate obviously can. However, this is because their fighting styles are very similar, brute and raw power.
You can't defeat Jean or Rachel with raw power alone.
When they don't have any Phoenix powers as the thread states yes he can. It has been stated in Cable's comic that the only person who has a powerlevel similar to Nate's is Dark Phoenix, it's in the comics, therefore fact. And yes Cable virus keeps him from being as powerful as Nate Grey.
Originally posted by Starhawk
When they don't have any Phoenix powers as the thread states yes he can. It has been stated in Cable's comic that the only person who has a powerlevel similar to Nate's is Dark Phoenix, it's in the comics, therefore fact. And yes Cable virus keeps him from being as powerful as Nate Grey.
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I should post the scan 😛
The T.O. did a bit more then just keep him from being as powerful as Nate.
It also seems that it has halted his progression to farther develop his Psi powers.
This was briefly mentioned by Cable when he was comparing himself to Nate.
Oh and Nate is the only Fully functional in all the Multiverse. It seems all other Nates have a serious hindrance or Defect like Cable T.O.
Some Narration on Nate.
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Random/X-Man_025_p06.jpg
The girls are pretty powerful too. I remember Jean saying that X-Man can match Madelyne's tk and also that Maddie's a clone of herself. That must mean their powers aren't that far apart. And Rachel lifted an island. That must be millions of tons. Their skills should also be considered. X-Man may be more powerful but Cable has more skills, like Emma is to Rachel.
Originally posted by psy_blade
The girls are pretty powerful too. I remember Jean saying that X-Man can match Madelyne's tk and also that Maddie's a clone of herself. That must mean their powers aren't that far apart. And Rachel lifted an island. That must be millions of tons. Their skills should also be considered. X-Man may be more powerful but Cable has more skills, like Emma is to Rachel.
And I will try to top it off with X-Man’s scans.
I don't think it's simply a matter of who can turn up the heat the highest. There's not doubt that X-Man is a beast, but he generally doesn't engage in combat on multiple fronts with several people of equitable power. One on one, he might be able to take the majority against most people, but in a four-way fight...I don't think victory's going to be that easy for him.
