Diamond Emma Frost vs Captain America

I've read the arc. I mean, it's been a little while, but I read it just the same...

Anyways, this wouldn't be the only time that two feats conflict. It happens constantly, and if anything, it could simply be attributed to CIS on Danger's part, or ignorance on the Writer's.

All we really have to go on is that it seems that Emma CAN be pierced by Vibranium weapons. If one later bounces off her, then we can question the validity of the feat that you posted.

Since she's never successfully defended against one, it's pretty safe to assume that she can't. 😬.

Still doesn't mean Cap wins - just that he has a chance.

Originally posted by Soljer
I've read the arc. I mean, it's been a little while, but I read it just the same...

Anyways, this wouldn't be the only time that two feats conflict. It happens constantly, and if anything, it could simply be attributed to CIS on Danger's part, or ignorance on the Writer's.

All we really have to go on is that it seems that Emma CAN be pierced by Vibranium weapons. If one later bounces off her, then we can question the validity of the feat that you posted.

Since she's never successfully defended against one, it's pretty safe to assume that she can't. 😬.

Still doesn't mean Cap wins - just that he has a chance.

Hmm I'll go with that. But you also have to take into consideration that the weapon was especially for designed to take out Emma using Nimrods mutant database.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Hmm I'll go with that. But you also have to take into consideration that the weapon was especially for designed to take out Emma using Nimrods mutant database.

Absolutely, though, as far as we know, the only special thing about it is that it was made of Vibranium.

how would Danger have recognized this or cataloged it?

Because she's the Dangernaut, bi*ch?

Well, this is most probably stalemate... But since it's fight into closed area, basically cage fight, I eventually see Emma cornering Captain sinse the space for evasive maneures is too small...

Well is diamond Emma Frost more durable than Namor?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok I think Namor can clearly beat Cap almost every single time, but surely Cap can at least get two wins. Look at the scans below.

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/2299/captainamerica36514od1.jpg

Its seems to me in the above scan. Cap actually KOed Namor. Namor wasnt moving so he probably was KOed. Yeah he was mindcontrolled but my point is that Cap does have the capability to KO Namor. Namor was just not fighting at full ability.

http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=141ta.jpg

Namor was stunned so badly by Caps kick that Namor landed on his back. Namor has class 100 durability and superhuman reflexes but still end up on his back. Sure it didnt knock him out but still it implies that Cap could KO him.

http://img286.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav3048142ve.jpg
http://img286.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav3048157yg.jpg

One punch from Cap puts Namor on his back and he gets up rubbing his head. Well I cant read Namors mind maybe it hurt a little bit, maybe it hurt alot, but when somebody is usually punched to the ground and gets up rubbing their head it usually indicates that the punch was powerful.

Namor's body, as far as I know, still consists of flesh and blood- more dense that normal human's, but still flesh and blood.
Not organic diamond. Diamond body reacts a bit different... That's also the reason why it would be difficult for Captain America to KO Thing ot 616Colossus (Ultimate Colossus, AFAIK, has weak spot which is his eyes).
KOing dense foes is quite different from KOing armoured foes. The argument with Namor goes well in Cap vs Luke Cage thread, but not there.
As for pressure points... Captain is not friggin' Karnak or Mantis, neither he has Midnighter-like sensors (which didn't help Danger, by the way). Generally known pressure points are useless in Emma's case (but still valid in case of Luke, since his body is just very dense HUMAN body).

In fact, Emma in her diamond form just can't feel pain, be it physical or emotional one...while Luke or Namor are able to feel pain and be KOed by Cap.
I respect Cap, but I want some people to feel the difference!

Couldn't Cap pull the trick DD used and strike the diamond so that it shattered?

He's NOT Daredevil...He doesn't have any powers which allow him to sense weak spots in stones or metal objects, while Daredevil has his radar sense to guide him- he can sense weak spots in diamond structure.
Cap, sans PIS, plainly uncapable of repeating that feat. People, GET REAL! Captain is great, but he's no Karnak, Daredevil or Mantis. Neither he has any cybernetic sensors to fulfill that task...Don't compare a finger with a dick (no offence intended).

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Namor's body, as far as I know, still consists of flesh and blood- more dense that normal human's, but still flesh and blood.
Not organic diamond. Diamond body reacts a bit different...

How does it react differently both Emma and Namor are superhumanly dense. 😐

You are stretching.

Emma CAN'T feel pain in diamond form. Namor CAN. That's the difference...
Cap can and able to hurt Namor or Cage with pressure point strikes- they both are able to feel pain. But the same can't be said about 616 Colossus or diamond Emma. Their bodies (I'm sure about Emma, but I'm not sure about Colossus) simply don't feel pain. Nothing to affect for Cap.
And Cap doesn't have any abilities that would let him to find flaw in diamond structure...No radar sense, cybernetical scanner and so on.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Emma CAN'T feel pain in diamond form.

Thats because of her durability though. 😕 In other words you just think she cant feel pain because shes so durable.

She can't feel emotional pain also. Her nervous system is ALTERED and different from that of normal human\mutant.
And as for durability\pain issue... For example, you can't feel pain when striked with straw, but you'll definetely feel pain when striked with baseball bat.
Not feeling pain from attacks because they are too weak for them (like a normal human not feeling pain when striked with straw) is a bit different from not feeling pain at all...
Durability and sensitivity of one's nervous system are a bit different things, aren't they?

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
She can't feel emotional pain also. Her nervous system is ALTERED and different from that of normal human\mutant.
And as for durability\pain issue... For example, you can't feel pain when striked with straw, but you'll definetely feel pain when striked with baseball bat.
Not feeling pain from attacks because they are too weak for them (like a normal human not feeling pain when striked with straw) is a bit different from not feeling pain at all...
Durability and sensitivity of one's nervous system are a bit different things, aren't they?

Well ok then. I'll have a look at those scans later.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/439489_3-respect-emma-frost

The last scan on the page. Scans with Cyclops' eyebeams were already posted into than thread...

And a bit offtopic- I'm not sure about Colossus. But anyways, hitting "armoured" characters (Ult. Colossus, Thing) is a bit different from hitting charactres like Cage or Namor. So you can't put the example of victory over Namor when arguing about victory over character with "just" dense flesh where all nerves are present and active- just to lesser level that normal human ones- since due to greater strength they should feel bullets and baseball bats like we feel sand and straws.
Of course, those "armoured" characters still can be hit by top level martial artists (providing there's something to feel pain under metallic/rock/diamond hide). There's some techniques which allow them to manipulate opponent's chi (thus Gamora's pressure point strike on Thing or Iron Fist's attack on Colossus aren't totally PIS) which can be used there. But so far I haven't seen any evidense of such skills from Captain America.
I still respect him as one of the greatest fighters in Marvel, though.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well is diamond Emma Frost more durable than Namor?

Originally posted by Soljer

"Captian Amerrika hrut NAMOR!!!11 He wtfpwzaorz Emma!!!11"

Oh yeah! Who called it?

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/439489_3-respect-emma-frost

The last scan on the page. Scans with Cyclops' eyebeams were already posted into than thread...

And a bit offtopic- I'm not sure about Colossus. But anyways, hitting "armoured" characters (Ult. Colossus, Thing) is a bit different from hitting charactres like Cage or Namor. So you can't put the example of victory over Namor when arguing about victory over character with "just" dense flesh where all nerves are present and active- just to lesser level that normal human ones- since due to greater strength they should feel bullets and baseball bats like we feel sand and straws.
Of course, those "armoured" characters still can be hit by top level martial artists (providing there's something to feel pain under metallic/rock/diamond hide). There's some techniques which allow them to manipulate opponent's chi (thus Gamora's pressure point strike on Thing or Iron Fist's attack on Colossus aren't totally PIS) which can be used there. But so far I haven't seen any evidense of such skills from Captain America.
I still respect him as one of the greatest fighters in Marvel, though.

Well at any rate I'll have to look at those scans, im a little tired now.

That Namor example is just as laughable when repeated repeatedly in very different versus threads as some Storm's fanboys' behaviour or claims of Terry Bogard's die-hard fans from "game versus" forum that Terry is a god since he defeated an avatar of Mars in non-canon anime...

Back to topic- first fight (without shield)goes to Emma- 10/10 due to the lack of spase for evasive maneures and the fact that Cap is good, but he's not cosmic level MA and doesn't have any uber chi-manipulation ability thus he can't hurt Emma by "overloading" her body with chi.
Second fight is most probably a stalemate... The reasons for that were posted somewhere above...

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
That Namor example is just as laughable as some Storm's fanboys' behaviour or claims of Terry Bogard's die-hard fans from "game versus" forum that Terry is a god since he defeated an avatar of Mars in non-canon anime...

Well I was under the impression diamond hard was just superhuman durability. 😐