Morrissey

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I always thought melodies was part of music itself, but...whatever.

I said vocal melodies, you know there is much more to a song than vocals. You're right that Morrissey "wrote" the melodies for his vocals, but he didnt go around telling Marr, Rouke or Joyce what notes, chords, ,keys or time that each song should be played with.

I know what you're saying, but it's the same way a lot of people discredit the musicality of Jim Morrison because he wasn't the "genius" that Manzarek was musically.

I think melody is huge when it comes to the actual music...it can make or break a song. If you have great chord structure, intrumentation etc...it can all be for not if there isn't a good melody that goes with it.

Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
I said vocal melodies, you know there is much more to a song than vocals. You're right that Morrissey "wrote" the melodies for his vocals, but he didnt go around telling Marr, Rouke or Joyce what notes, chords, ,keys or time that each song should be played with.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I know what you're saying, but it's the same way a lot of people discredit the musicality of Jim Morrison because he wasn't the "genius" that Manzarek was musically.

I think melody is huge when it comes to the actual music...it can make or break a song. If you have great chord structure, intrumentation etc...it can all be for not if there isn't a good melody that goes with it.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I know what you're saying, but it's the same way a lot of people discredit the musicality of Jim Morrison because he wasn't the "genius" that Manzarek was musically.

I think melody is huge when it comes to the actual music...it can make or break a song. If you have great chord structure, intrumentation etc...it can all be for not if there isn't a good melody that goes with it.

In the case of the smiths that doesn’t really hold. Most people know that Morrissey vocals were often sung at with a totally different melody than the music itself. That’s why the Smiths were so appealing, Morrissey’s vocal melodies complemented Marr’s musical arguments to the point where they music as a whole was a beautiful awkward sounding unit. Morrissey was singing gloom and doom, while Marr's upbeat music was going the other way.

Of course, 2D, anybody who knows about music would know how that dynamic worked.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Of course, 2D, anybody who knows about music would know how that dynamic worked.

-AC

Well it seems SOMEBODY doesnt. Someone... is claiming that Marr's music was based off Morrissey vocals..... wtf.

Well there you have it, maybe there's a conclusion to be drawn about this someone's opinions of music.

-AC

HAha!

Rich!

I never said Marr's music was based off Morrissey's vocals...and I never Manzeric's music was based off Morrison's vocals.

I just said making melody is part of making music...and if you can't make a good melody that goes with the music that's already there, then the song could be crap.

OBVIOUSLY the dynamic worked...everything worked...that's why they're great.

(But of course the character assasin AC will try and make it seem that I'm saying different stuff)

2D got that from your posts on his own, I didn't need to do anything.

Making melody is part of making music, congratulations on making that deduction, EP.

-AC

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
HAha!

Rich!

I never said Marr's music was based off Morrissey's vocals...and I never Manzeric's music was based off Morrison's vocals.

I just said making melody is part of making music.

(But of course the chracter assasin AC will try and make it seem that I'm saying different stuff)

Meh... well thats what it seemed like you were saying to me. Sorry if I got you wrong. Make your idea more defined next time. Anyways AC as already tried to be make cry by pointing out the fact that I find it entertaining to talk about fictional video game characters on these forums, he seems kinda hostile. AC, you can point out how much of a nerd I am all you want, it's ok coz I know I am. I guess he thinks that just becuase I am a nerd I dont know anything about music.

*Insert EPIIIBITES attempt to gain an ally by agreeing here*

Nothing wrong with being a "nerd", man.

I was just saying don't point fingers that you wouldn't want pointed at yourself.

I don't actually think anything's wrong with discussing fictional character battles, if you like doing it, do it. Do what makes you happy, my point was just to highlight your ill comment about certain bands.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
*Insert EPIIIBITES attempt to gain an ally by agreeing here*

Nothing wrong with being a "nerd", man.

I was just saying don't point fingers that you wouldn't want pointed at yourself.

I don't actually think anything's wrong with discussing fictional character battles, if you like doing it, do it. Do what makes you happy, my point was just to highlight your ill comment about certain bands.

-AC

Well I don't care if you point you finger at me. Who the hell are you? But dont try and fawking start a internet grudge match with me... That's pretty lame and I wont play. Anyways whats wrong with posting my opinions anyways? is'nt that what forums are for? People get too piss wet over these things(You included, tough guy... its obvious by your POINTLESS bickering with EPIIIBITES).

I'm not starting a grudge anything, I don't even know you.

You obviously do care if I point a finger, because you are the one getting pissy about it. You said people have no excuse for liking certain bands, I said one could argue that only kids have an excuse for arguing Ryu Vs Ken, but I wouldn't, because that's not the case.

You made a stupid, generalised comment and got upset when I called you on it.

Chill out.

Also, the bickering is two way. It WAS finished, HE bumped the thread.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not starting a grudge anything, I don't even know you.

You obviously do care if I point a finger, because you are the one getting pissy about it. You said people have no excuse for liking certain bands, I said one could argue that only kids have an excuse for arguing Ryu Vs Ken, but I wouldn't, because that's not the case.

You made a stupid, generalised comment and got upset when I called you on it.

Chill out.

Also, the bickering is two way. It WAS finished, HE bumped the thread.

-AC

Umkay.... as long as that makes scense to you. Good job dude, you go on being the smartest most logical being in the Galaxy. Anyways, Morrissey I think lived his hay-day with the Smiths. Musically his solo carreer was substandard compared to the Smiths. That is my OPINION (this shouldnt need to be said). Hopefully people wont get pissy like SOMEONE.

Relax, man.

I totally agree with you, and that's kind of funny in a weird way.

-AC

Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
Meh... well thats what it seemed like you were saying to me. Sorry if I got you wrong.

I think Marr's a genius. I've liked almost everything he's done post-Smiths...like with "Electronic" and Bernard Sumner, Kirsty McCall...and his new outfit.

But I think Morrisey's great melodic intuition really brought out the best in his music...something that can't be repeated...same with Morrison and Manzarek.

Had the pleasure of seeing Morrissey at Reading, entertaining and an experience. Glad they played How Soon Is Now?

Wow...cool!