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1. In Dark Rendezvous, Asajj tells Dooku that Sidious will uss Dooku up, here's the dialogue:
«He's going to use you up, Count. He'll drain the blood from you and throw you aside. He'll pick someone younger, weaker, easier to influence.»
«Someone like you?»
«I wish. No, when you go, I'll be swept aside,» she said morosely. «I'm just one of your creatures, to him. Maybe to you, too. Loyalty runs stronger up than it does down, in case you hadn't noticed.»
So, according to Asajj, she isn't good enough to be Sidious apprentice. Maul isn't only good enough to be his apprentice, Sidious actually hand-selected Maul out of a galaxy of hundreds of billions of beings.
2. Maul, when not at his full strength, took on Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi, 2 on 1, and nearly beat them. He would have won if Kenobi hadn't gotten lucky, and he killed Qui-Gon. Asajj wasn't to far ahead of J'ai Maruk, and Qui-Gin > J'ai Maruk. Asajj also barely beat Kit Fisto, and Qui-Gon > Kit. Proof of this can be provided if necessary. And remember that this was Maul not as his full strength. The quote for him not being at full strength can be provided, if necessary, as well.
3. Maul beat Anoon Bondara, who was stated in 2 different novels to be the best swordsman in the order. Again, Asajj was barely ahead of Kit Fisto - a least half a dozen of the order's best swordsman could beat Asajj.
4. When enraged, Maul nearly killed Sidious in a lightsaber duel. Asajj was about on par with Obsession Anakin, and neither of them could almost kill Sidious in a lightsaber duel.
5. Asajj got tooled by Dooku's Force Lightning.
Maul was able to resist Mighella's lightning.
He even kileld her with his lightsaber while still resisting her lightning.
I know that Dooku > Mighella, but Dooku seemed to just be messing with Asajj, while Mighella was going all-out on Maul.
6. In he fought ANH Vader and nearly won - as a matter of fact, he was winning the entire time, until Vader got desperate and stabbed his lightsaber through his own body and into Maul, a move that nearly killed himself. Leland Chee confirmed the canonicity of the story on his blog:
http://blogs.starwars.com/holocron/22/comments
Not only do people here put Vader above Asajj, they even put him above Dooku.
7. Physically, Asajj is very fit and strong, but Maul is a beast and has spent 22 years doing absolutely nothing except training. He is in better shape than she is and is bigger as well.
I see no reason why Asajj would win. Maul takes her.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
...I think Asajj has much better mastery of the Force and that's may lead to Maul's defeat but Maul is far superior then her in saber skills.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
Nicely put.
Asajj wasn't to far ahead of J'ai Maruk, and Qui-Gin > J'ai Maruk.yes but even you agree Obession Asajj would beat Qui-Gon.
I know that Dooku > Mighellayou think?
Again, Asajj was barely ahead of Kit Fistoreally, is this Obsession Asajj? If you wanted to say CW Asajj say that, and Maul would win, but she was much more badass in Obsession.
I see no reason why Asajj would win. Maul takes her.I would be very close either way, but Asajj has shown greater force powers than him, and her of Obsession looked stronger than him, she was able to fight Anakin and Kenobi, there, and both are stronger than Maul. I say Obsession Asajj takes it.
Originally posted by jollyjim311That was right after AOTC and she was pretty good there,but this is Obsession Asajj, a few months,5 before ROTS, and she was clearly more powerful here. Anakin was at a different level in Obsession from when he fought Asajj in the CW.
In the Clone Wars cartoon she threw a big pillar, and lots of debris. But (padawan) Anakin was able to block all the force attacks, and anything Asajj can throw at Maul he can dodge.
yes but even you agree Obession Asajj would beat Qui-Gon.
really, is this Obsession Asajj? If you wanted to say CW Asajj say that, and Maul would win, but she was much more badass in Obsession.
but Asajj has shown greater force powers than him
she was able to fight Anakin and Kenobi, there, and both are stronger than Maul. I say Obsession Asajj takes it.
In the Clone Wars cartoon she threw a big pillar, and lots of debris. But (padawan) Anakin was able to block all the force attacks, and anything Asajj can throw at Maul he can dodge.
Originally posted by Council#13
Sorry 'bout this DarthSith, but I don't think that the Nightsister's Force Lightning would be nearly as strong as Count Dooku's. Also, Maul (being a Zaabrak (sp?)) would have a higher pain tolerance than Asajj (race unknown?).
And I seriously doubt pain tolerance would hake a difference with Force Lightning.
Actually, my mistake, he wasn't smiling, I just checked, he seemed to be going all-out. And why would a Zaabrak have a higher pain tolerance? Where does it say that?
I'm not arguing who has the better physical powers but Force powers. Asajj has shown far better mastery with the Force than Maul has.
Maul had to separate Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon in order to have any chance one beating the duo. The two alone gave Maul a run for his money. And really Obi-Wan was clearly doing better then Qui-Gon. Maul even showed fear in his facial expressions when Obi-Wan started to hammer away. Only reason people say Maul won was because he got lucky and Force Pushed him into the hole.
And I really don't understand what you all mean when you say Maul wasn't at full power.
I hate to tell you this, but its been long confirmed that Maul was superior to both OB1 and QGJ. Had the fight continued without the shaft, and OB1 getting lucky (not Maul) Maul would have won. It even goes to say in the novel that even with OB1's burst of fury and tapping into the dark side, Maul was still the better combatant.
To further Darth Subjekt's point:
Originally posted by ESB -1138
Maul had to separate Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon in order to have any chance one beating the duo.
It's bullshit at best to claim that he had to separate the Jedi. Let's take a look at what the actual novelization has to say on the situation, from chapters 22 and 23:
"Their efforts at attack, at assuming the offensive against this dangerous adversary, were woefully inadequate.
But on this day, he had met his match. The Sith Lord he battled with Obi - Wan was more than his equal in weapons training, and he had the advantage of being younger and stronger.
His agility and dexterity allowed him to keep them both at bay, constantly attacking while at the same time effectively blunting their counterattacks, relentlessly searching for an opening in their defense.
So they challenged the Sith Lord quickly, and just as quickly discovered that their best efforts were not good enough[...]
They should have won this battle long ago. Against any other opponent, they would have. But the Sith Lord was battle trained and seasoned well beyond anyone they had ever encountered before. He had matched them blow for blow, and they weren't any closer to winning this fight now than they had been in the beginning."
It's evident from the above that Darth Maul could've taken both of them, and that they were lacking in comparison to his sheer skill and determination. So, your point holds no water.
This is aside from the fact Darth Maul had been injured before the bout even began. We see him kick the living shit out of the duo with melee attacks. The only reason he actually lost was because he was caught off guard by Obi-Wan's sudden burst of power by giving into the dark side, but even then it states that "[he] was the stronger of the two".
The two alone gave Maul a run for his money.
See above. No, it's vice versa, and he was still on the victorious end for virtually the entirety of that duel.
And really Obi-Wan was clearly doing better then Qui-Gon.
Perhaps you've forgotten why. I'll remind you. Obi-Wan had been tapping into the dark side to fuel his powers, which caught Maul off guard.
Obi-Wan certainly is weaker than Qui-Gon, when not utilizing such emotions (as they do make you more powerful).
Maul even showed fear in his facial expressions when Obi-Wan started to hammer away.
Funny, considering Darth Maul is a fearless warrior. If that were to be true (it's not), then that's going against his entire character.
This is the most absurd thing I've read all day, as we don't even get to see a clear view of his face, save for one point, and that's at which he's on the ground, after having his lightsaber broken (and still, he doesn't appear to be "fearing" jack shit).
There's really no reason to make shit up.
Additionally, I should note that both the novelization and the script conform, and agree that fatigue was setting in on Obi-Wan, and the novelization elaborates on that, saying Darth Maul was regaining the upper hand.
Only reason people say Maul won was because he got lucky and Force Pushed him into the hole.
That's quite untrue, as Subjekt pointed out, the majority would believe that it was Obi-Wan who was lucky (due to Qui-Gon's lightsaber being available).
And I really don't understand what you all mean when you say Maul wasn't at full power.
What he means is relatively simple. Darth Maul was injured, ergo he wouldn't be in prime condition for his battle.
I was going to reply to ESB-1138 as well, but, now Advent's replied, too, and there's really no need for me to reply as well. Just one thing:
And I really don't understand what you all mean when you say Maul wasn't at full power.
"Had he not run into Togorian pirates and Sand People along the way, perhaps he would have been at full strength for the conflict isnide the Theed power generator." - The New Essential Guide to Characters
Originally posted by darthsith19
And I seriously doubt pain tolerance would hake a difference with Force Lightning.And why would a Zaabrak have a higher pain tolerance? Where does it say that?
As I seem to recall, Luke was squirming around when Palpatine was zapping him.
Doesn't it say that somewhere on the Official Website?