Why did Steven not do the last two batman movies?

Originally posted by DarkDethbringer
not really you only brought up the bad things. Riddler put ona great performance you gay bashing prick. i wsnt hapy with Two Face, Freeze, Ivy or Bane. butothers were ok. itmadePenguin lessof aGentelmen of Crime butgave himfar more depth.Jokerwas greatandwascrazy he would haveben better with a higher vocie ashe sometimes has. i agree no origin. except forthe fact that in FOrever Joel schumacker had a few scenes vcut.including one whereit shows his other origin like, seeing the giant bat in the cave.

The riddler was idiotic and gay, he was in love with bruce wayne, he did gay gesture and he had lipstick. The joker was jack playing jack. The penguin was retarded and dirty. freeze, two face, ivy and bane were crap, etc. Those movies were stupid, not only because the caricatures of the villains, batman was a second fiddler to them and we didnt know about the character and his story and motivations. That was wrong.

Originally posted by Spartan ll
Not really. The fight scenes, however numerous they may be, were to hectic to see who was winning or losing, and were WAY too short. Also, Christian Bale's Batman voice wasn't all that menacing or good like Keaton's. It is a good movie, but don't go passing it off like it's the best thing since sliced bread. Every movie has it's faults, and so does BB.

In your opinion, maybe. But mine and many others opinions still stand; we like both BB and Burton's movies. Don't like it? Too bad. Deal with it.

And nowhere did I mention I like Shumacher's Batman movies, so don't go putting words in my mouth. He sucked, Tim Burton in our honest opinions, didn't.

It seems to be a common interest with BB fans to put other people down just because others don't agree with their point of view. Happens on IMDB and it happens here.

The fight scenes have an explanations. It helped to show batman in a dark and sinister way, nobody is seeing who is atacking the villains, like a surprise. Its a way to show batman as a dark and like ghost creature. The voice? Not a problem, i like his voice. It could be better? of course, but it was bale's first time, and he did amazing with his work. His voice sound different from batman to wayne, and he could work more in his voice in the sequel. But i liked his voice, and his presence was impossing and creepy, just like batman is.

Ok, i said the same. Did you liked burton movies more than begins? I did like begins and i hated burton movies and schumacher movies, deal with it. My opinion too.

Nothing on that, im only expressing that i think that batman begins was the definitive and true batman movie and the rest were crap because i think it. Nothing more.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
I agree that Batman Begins was the more faithful to main continuity comics. I also agree that it is the best Batman movie out there right now. But what I don't understand is why a lot of people say you aren't a "true Batman fan" if you also like Batman 89. I love both Begins and 89 and practically anything Batman (except B&R, anything campy, and anything dealing with the supernatural/aliens) so why am I not a "true Batman fan"? Why can't someone like Batman 89 AND Batman Begins? That is the question I ask you...

For my part, not a problem is you liked the burton movies. Your right, your opinion. Im only expressing my opinion, and i think that the burton and schumacher movies were bad movies and didnt do justice to the batman character, and that batman begins was a great movie and got the batman spirit so well.

Mr parker, for what i know from some friends of mine, man spider 3 is even worse than the first one.

OK have your god damn opinion butdontpersecute us for having a differnt one!

Originally posted by xNIXSONx
haha, mr parker, you hit the nail right on the head that time

How the hell did he hit the nail on the head, when at least several people have disagreed with him? All I can see is people just nitpicking at minor points.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
yeah those Burton batman movies are so pathetic because they never show his origin,we never know bruce wayne,we dont know why he dresses up like a bat or fights crime

Did you say what I think you just said? Ok if you dont know that Burton did show us why he dressesed up and fought crime and you said he didnt dont you think your are not capable of making an objective judgement? The above quote shows you dont know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by Alfheim
How the hell did he hit the nail on the head, when at least several people have disagreed with him? All I can see is people just nitpicking at minor points.

Did you say what I think you just said? Ok if you dont know that Burton did show us why he dressesed up and fought crime and you said he didnt dont you think your are not capable of making an objective judgement? The above quote shows you dont know what you're talking about.

uh no he did not.all Burton showed was that bruce wayne was sad and depressed about his parents being killed,it never gave any explanation for his motivations for wanting to fight crime or why he dressed up like a bat. 🙄 dude your thinking of batman forever because that was the ONLY time in the burton/schumacher batman films they ever showed that. 🙄

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Well said...

It seems threads about Burton's vision of Batman either get completely off topic or turn into full scale war between Mr. Parker and (insert name here) in which insults fly and opinions are put to the test...

👇 not well said at all.at least I dont go around saying crap like Tim Burton is the greatest film director in the world 😆 😆 or make up false untrue stories like he was when he was desperately grasping at straws with false claims that batman 89 is the number 5 biggest box office money maker when its not even in the top 10 list of all time. 🙄 or crap like I am the only one who thinks Batman Begins is the only true batman movie when its been proven many others feel the same way.just look at the people that have come on here and agreed with me on that. 🙄

Originally posted by Mr Parker
uh no he did not.all Burton showed was that bruce wayne was sad and depressed about his parents being killed,it never gave any explanation for his motivations for wanting to fight crime or why he dressed up like a bat. 🙄 dude your thinking of batman forever because that was the ONLY time in the burton/schumacher batman films they ever showed that. 🙄

Yeah and one of the reasons why he hunts criminals is because his parents got shot. 😐

No im not thinking about schumacher.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
👇 not well said at all.at least I dont go around saying crap like Tim Burton is the greatest film director in the world

Were did he say that?

Originally posted by Mr Parker
or make up false untrue stories like he was when he was desperately grasping at straws with false claims that batman 89 is the number 5 biggest box office money maker when its not even in the top 10 list of all time. 🙄

Why are you accusing him of lying? Dont you think thats rude?

Originally posted by Mr Parker

or crap like I am the only one who thinks Batman Begins is the only true batman movie when its been proven many others feel the same way.just look at the people that have come on here and agreed with me on that. 🙄

Well BB is the best one so far, but actually many other people think that Tim Burton's Batman was good as well.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Did you notice that he was stealing from Wayne enterprises and therefore wasnt stealing anything. Also in the DKR graphic novel Batman kills some villains, sometimes in extreme circumstances Batman may "compromise" his principles, for example when he stole because he was starving.

i noticed, did you? please rewatch BB. last time i checked stealing from your company was embezzlement and wayne enterprises didn't belong to him until the end of the movie. This movie wasn't suppose to be based on DKR like burton's was.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Wow so because there is a slight difference therefore its crap? Constructive critcism please.

i did provide constructive critcism. you just don't seem to like what i have to say. this wasn't a slight difference.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Batman spent YEARS training as a ninja, its not like he learnt it over night......wow.

he spent a couple of years training as a ninja, the other part he spent living like a criminal and also spent a little time in jail. and yeah......he did becom a ninja over night.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah so what Batman killed two villains in the Dark Knight Returns 🤨

you never addressed my argument in which you replied with the above quote. once again this isn't DKR. BB movie is actually based off of batman: year one.

Originally posted by Alfheim
OH MY GOD! BATMAN CANT TURN HIS NECK IN! Yeah you know thats right, that is so annoying. Theres nothing more annoying than watching a movie where the character wears a suit where he cant put his neck in......get a grip.

no, what makes it annoying is the fact we keep getting crappy fight scenes because the hero can't turn his neck. hence the shaky close up camera cinematogrophy. also, seeing a character thats suppose to be quick and agile having to move his entire body to throw a punch or grenade is pretty funny to watch. we need a new batman suit instead of copying burton's design idea.

Originally posted by Alfheim

So what hes just began his career, didnt Batman actually give his girlfriend some information that helped? 🤨

besides telling his girlfriend that she was already poisoned (which i think she figured out on her own), no. please rewatch BB

Originally posted by Alfheim
Theres nothing wrong with Batman Begins. If you're going to complain about silly things like not being able to turn his neck and training for YEARS as ninja, saying things like his g/f had better detective skills when Batman actually used his detective skills to help her then obvoulsy there is no pleasing you.

BB was a good movie, but has as many flaws as burton's batman. i never said the movie was crap. the flaws i brought up were the same ones that folks complained about with burton's batman. having detective skills is a big part of batman, thats why they call him "the dark knight DETECTIVE.". he originally appeared in DETECTIVE comic, hmmmm i wonder why 🙄 . bruce's girlfriend found out about the "gas the city plot." and the only reason he found out is becaus she told him she was going to arkham. lucious fox created all of bruce's gadgets and figured out a treatment for the fear gas. so basically anyone with ninja training can be batman according to this movie.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Shhhhhhhessssshhhh! 😬

This sums some of you guys up.

you seem to be the one having a meltdown over this.

Originally posted by Spartan ll
Not really. The fight scenes, however numerous they may be, were to hectic to see who was winning or losing, and were WAY too short. Also, Christian Bale's Batman voice wasn't all that menacing or good like Keaton's. It is a good movie, but don't go passing it off like it's the best thing since sliced bread. Every movie has it's faults, and so does BB.

In your opinion, maybe. But mine and many others opinions still stand; we like both BB and Burton's movies. Don't like it? Too bad. Deal with it.

And nowhere did I mention I like Shumacher's Batman movies, so don't go putting words in my mouth. He sucked, Tim Burton in our honest opinions, didn't.

It seems to be a common interest with BB fans to put other people down just because others don't agree with their point of view. Happens on IMDB and it happens here.

i get the same responses when i say anything other than "BB is the greatest batman movie."
To everyone, if you want to watch an almost faithful adaption of batman, please watch batman: mask of the phantasm.
here was my original post to this thread:

Originally posted by jedi90
well since we are giving opinions here........batman begins wasn't too far off from tim burton's batman. i don't think neither director captured the true character of batman. in batman begins, bruce decides to become a CRIMINAL to learn about them and doesn't plan to avenge his parents until he is well into adult years unlike the comic where he vows revenge as a youth and spends his life becoming the ultimate vigilante. in batman begins, bruce goes to ninja camp and presto! he has all the skill he needs
both batman movies have a subplot of a love interest which in my opinion is a played out plot device. both movies have the city being GASED at the end and batman must save the city from itself. another thing that is funny about both of these films is that neither version of batman killed off the main villan at the end. they both choose not to save them.
both batmen wear black rubber suits with a cowl they can't turn their neck in.
but here is my biggest gripe, none of these batmen have displayed what batman is most famous for......his detective skills! in batman begins most clues are presented to him by supporting characters, his girlfriend had better dick skills than batman
if you guys really want to know which batman captured the true spirit of batman and is in my opinion the best batman movie to date, it is batman mask of the phantasm. if you haven't seen it, i highly recommend you do

lol, Burton si the greatest DIrrector ever........in MY opinion.

lolyyes ig et the idea of t he fight scene, they were quick, but far too hectic. and did anyeon notice that the movie didnt make sense?

ill elaborate.

in the movie he comes to Gotham and meetsRachel with a few flashbakcs, then it flashes back to when he waswith the league of shadows and then comestogotham, meeting Rachel AGAIN and they acted as though they had no knowlege of the previousmeeting. it had errors in other words

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah and one of the reasons why he hunts criminals is because his parents got shot. 😐

No im not thinking about schumacher.

yeah but if you never read the comics you dont understand that in Burtons film on WHY he dresses up like a bat or why he fights crime because its never freaking explained in the movie because its so horribly written. the only thing you get out of Burtons pathetic version is that Bruce is depressed all the time about his parents being killed.come on,even the major media magazines back then said the same thing when batman forever first came out that batman fans were going to be in for a treat with that film because for the first time,it gets revealed WHY he dresses up like a bat and why he fights crime.if the major media magazines were saying that back then,then obviously many people were confused about that in the first film. 🙄 All of that SHOULD have been explained in the FIRST film but WAS NOT.The first film is the origin story for god sakes yet none of that was ever explained until batman forever as everybody knows and thats absurd for it not to be explained in the origin story which was that pathetic batman 89 movie. 😘

Originally posted by Alfheim
Were did he say that?

Why are you accusing him of lying? Dont you think thats rude?

Well BB is the best one so far, but actually many other people think that Tim Burton's Batman was good as well.

are you kidding? darthdeathbringer said that about Burton a countless number of times on this thread and on his bruce wayne thread as well which is why I have stopped bothering with him as well.Its hard to reason with someone who makes such absurd claims like that. 😆 after all,even though batman begins is one of my favorite movies of all time and even though Nolan has made a couple of other movies I think are really great as well.at least I am rational enough not to go around saying Nolan is best director ever.geez.

Why? Because it IS a lie.Nothing rude about pointing out how a person is lying when they have proven they are.Thats not MY opinion that Batman 89 isnt one of the top 5 biggest grossing films of all time,its a FACT that its not even one of the top "10" box office grossing films of all time. 🙄 all you got to do to find out that I am being truthful about this that its not even in the top 10 biggest grossing films of all time is just go to IMDB and you will see proof for yourself that he's making that up.sorry but when someone is losing an argument so badly about a movie that they get so desperate to try and prove they are right that they desperately start grasping at straws trying to convince someone its a great film by making up false untrue stories that its the top 5 biggest grossing films of all time when its a proven fact that its not,that person loses their credibility.Heres another way you can find out for yourself that he is lying and making that up,just do a google search of top 10 biggest grossing films of all time and you will see for yourself that he's lying and making that up.

I forgot to mention this earlier as well.I mean come one,if your going to argue about a movie you like at least dont try and convince someone its a good movie by making up false stories.At LEAST get your facts straight first before you argue about that movie that you like. 🙄 Thats something I ALWAYS do when engaging in a debate is at least get the facts straight about how much that movies box office take was.

Ok, I'm really sick of hearing everyone talk about this all the time...

Mr. Parker, if you don't like the Burton movies, don't talk about them! Leave them be! You don't have to bury them!

Darkdethbringer, don't make up false stories! It only gives you the reputation of a liar, so don't....

That's all for my angry rant...

well you dont have to come and look at this thread if you dont like whats being said.nobody is putting a gun to your head forcing you to do so and I havent even been ranting on the batman movies since last summer anyways so its not like i come here everyday of the year or anything.also,its enjoyable when you have the rare bunch who are civilized about it like Alfheim is being with me. and oh batdude,you forgot to mention spartan as well as someone who is developing a reputation of a liar because that IS a lie that Batman 89 is one of the top 5 biggest grossing films of all time when its a proven FACT that its not.Thats why I wont bother with spartan or darthdeathbringer anymore because they make up things that are untrue.

whoa whoa whoa slow the **** down, when did i make up a false story?

Well, whoever made up this false story about it being a "top ten highest grossing movie" should please stop making things up... (though it is high on the list, I hear)

pfft dont just throw my nameout there, I always get my factsstraight my namewas prolly thrown in there cause im a nuisance to thos eon the oppoosing argument