Bison did not use the full power of the Drive. C'mon people, I can't think of anyone in KOF/SF who can take Ryu, Ken, Sakura, Sagat and 12 dolls in so short of a time period. If Bison has to lose, that way fits best to me. Him being distracted and tired sounds sensible and justifiable. And no one he fought was below mid SF level. The Shoryuken was the last straw, everyone knocked down the pillars and Ryu just pushed the building over. What's wrong with that?
Originally posted by King Nothing
Bison did not use the full power of the Drive.
Originally posted by King Nothing
C'mon people, I can't think of anyone in KOF/SF who can take Ryu, Ken, Sakura, Sagat and 12 dolls in so short of a time period.
Originally posted by King Nothing
If Bison has to lose, that way fits best to me. Him being distracted and tired sounds sensible and justifiable.
Bison being tired from battle makes no sense since he can revitalize himself regardless even from death. Also, how was he tired during his fight with Ryu, sagat,Sakura, and Ken despite it being his first bout after a series of Fights??
Originally posted by King Nothing
The Shoryuken was the last straw, everyone knocked down the pillars and Ryu just pushed the building over. What's wrong with that?
You don't get it, Ryu single handley drove him back with a Regular Shoryuken! Sagat didn't even bother to help, maybe if he did it would make more sense. Also, Ken and Sakura fought Bison first, But they weren't able to push him back like Ryu.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar-You think it was retarded, I don't. It's all opinion in the end.
Due to CIS, which is why that fight was retarded.I can, especially since this is there weak alpha incarnations. Also, Bison killed many of the dolls (Thank God) before retreating, again.
Bison being tired from battle makes no sense since he can revitalize himself regardless even from death. Also, how was he tired during his fight with Ryu, sagat,Sakura, and Ken despite it being his first bout after a series of Fights??
You don't get it, Ryu single handley drove him back with a [B]Regular Shoryuken
! Sagat didn't even bother to help, maybe if he did it would make more sense. Also, Ken and Sakura fought Bison first, But they weren't able to push him back like Ryu. [/B]
-Who can take them all at once?
-How can he revitalized if he's away from the Psycho Drive and too distracted to be hit by the beam from the satellite. He was weakened from the dolls not to mention, then he was weakened when Ryu went at him, even more weakened when Ken and Sakura jumped in, then Sagat jumped in. How is that not okay? We all know Ryu used a regular Shoryuken, but I guarantee you that that was and still is the most effort he ever put into a Shoryuken in his whole life. Ryu was only able to push Bison back after every one put their work in. I have a feeling y'all STILL don't get what I'm saying ESPECIALLY since y'all look to Tiamat for everything that is SF.
I've noticed many of you are adding Sagat to the group that took on Bison. Classic NES is correct as Sagat didn't really help the group in their fight against Bison. Sagat alone would be a tough challenge for Bison, not to mention adding Ryu, Ken and the others, but Sagat didn't help them in their battle.
I remember thinking Sagat was the ultimate beast in SF with his high low fireballs and quick knee attacks...heck many opponents continued his combinations as I used Bison to dance around their attempts.
Bison's teleportation ability + his crushing combos put Bison in my top five fighters in the Alpha series. In fact he ended up as my 2nd best fighter.
I would dance around my friends with ease teleporting around their heads during their attacks, blocking any real offense and applying the damage when necessary.
The way to use Bison in the Alpha games is to mock your opponents into doing something stupid. Saving your Psycho Crusher until only necessary, for it was a easily countered move unless the opponent was completely open.
The fact that this is Alpha 2 Bison and not Alpha 3 is a problem though.
Zack Fair
I don't think Sagat would be much of a challenge for Bison.
You're right, it was actually my fault I tried to show my point through a wrong way. Considering that it was during the Alpha events, Sagat wouldn't have been much of a challenge for Bison, especially against Final Bison from SFA3.
juggerman
Sagat would never be any kind of challenge for Bison. There's a reason he's a henchman
On the other hand, this statement is a false, since SF4 Sagat would be very tough opponent for SF4 Bison. By that time Sagat is in his "prime" and he isn't obsessed with his loss to Ryu anymore, while Bison decided to use a weaker body instead of waiting for the stronger one. So, SF4 Sagat would be tough for any version of Bison except the SFA 2/3 one. Also, Sagat was Bison's henchman only in SFA. By SF4 he doesn't have any connections with Shadaloo.
Back on topic, if you are counting current Bison (SF4) and current Ryu (SF3), then Ryu wins. If it's "prime vs prime", Final Bison beats Ryu.
Originally posted by b64
On the other hand, this statement is a false, since SF4 Sagat would be very tough opponent for SF4 Bison. By that time Sagat is in his "prime" and he isn't obsessed with his loss to Ryu anymore, while Bison decided to use a weaker body instead of waiting for the stronger one. So, SF4 Sagat would be tough for any version of Bison except the SFA 2/3 one. Also, Sagat was Bison's henchman only in SFA. By SF4 he doesn't have any connections with Shadaloo.
So Sagat at his very best is a match for a ridiculously weakened Bison? Eh i think we can agree here tho i'd still give Bison the nod
juggerman
So Sagat at his very best is a match for a ridiculously weakened Bison? Eh i think we can agree here tho i'd still give Bison the nod
That's right pretty much. During SF4, Bison is most likely in his weakest form, while Sagat is in his prime. It would be tough but I'd also put Bison slightly above Sagat and Ryu in SF4.