Originally posted by Priest
Hercules tosses Manhattan on him 😐
I hope you're joking...Herc can't lift a friggin city...please don't tell me he did in the past, since that was hyperbole and PIS to the max
Herc struggles against guys like Ben, Colossus, Hulk, Juggs, none of whom are even close to being able to lift a city
Originally posted by Priest
Hulk would have trouble lifting a city?
BTW, cis aside Hercules is one of the stongest bricks in marvel..
yes, Hulk would not be able to lift a city
lifting a mountain was straining hulk to the max...and that was when he was close to peak (meaning far surpassing Herc's strength)
A city is a couple of thousand times heavier than a mountain
Originally posted by masterbruce
So Herc could knock a planet out of orbit (which is ridiculous if you think about it) but he can barely take down guys like Colossus and Thing?
Originally posted by Priest
u heard of CIS? because its pretty damm debateable that Colossus and the Thing are not even a class 100.
Does batman pawning KK mean KK<Batman?...no
but Herc isn't really shown to be leaps and bounds stronger than any of his foes.
think about it, let's say Thing and Colossus are 100 ton class
now ask yourself, how much strength one would need to punch a planet out of orbit (basically you would have to exert more force that the sun's gravitational pull)
this would be many quintillions of tons at least (1,000,000,000,000,000,000)
so even assuming CIS, you think CIS makes Hercules a TRILLION times weaker than he really is? come on now, use some common sense, we have to take an average of a character's showings and Hercules has never shown to be LEAPS and BOUNDS above most class 100s
My money would be on Apoc. He could always take on the consistency of rubber or tempur and absorb all of Hercules blows like it was nothing, grant himself Sebastian Shaw esque abilities, or he could, as stated beforehand, grow gigantic and flick Herc away like a booger. Regardless of the popular opinion on this board, Apocalypse is a beast, and I'm not letting the mob mentality and spite that runs rampant here on KMC disuade my common sense and application of logic.
Apocalypse. 👆
Oh, and another thing that I always find quite comical on this board is the obsession with strength class. Whether a character is a class 50, 100, or Supes, there opponent doesn't weigh anywhere near that much and is also not a defenseless inanimate object. Lifting strength doesn't really equate to anything and yet so many people on this board let that determine the outcome of a fight without considering all the other factors, let alone the dynamics of throwing a punch.
This board never ceases to amaze me. Maybe I'm just getting old and cynical.
Originally posted by masterbruce
but Herc isn't really shown to be leaps and bounds stronger than any of his foes.think about it, let's say Thing and Colossus are 100 ton class
now ask yourself, how much strength one would need to punch a planet out of orbit (basically you would have to exert more force that the sun's gravitational pull)
this would be many quintillions of tons at least (1,000,000,000,000,000,000)
so even assuming CIS, you think CIS makes Hercules a TRILLION times weaker than he really is? come on now, use some common sense, we have to take an average of a character's showings and Hercules has never shown to be LEAPS and BOUNDS above most class 100s
Originally posted by illadelph12
My money would be on Apoc. He could always take on the consistency of rubber or tempur and absorb all of Hercules blows like it was nothing, grant himself Sebastian Shaw esque abilities, or he could, as stated beforehand, grow gigantic and flick Herc away like a booger. Regardless of the popular opinion on this board, Apocalypse is a beast, and I'm not letting the mob mentality and spite that runs rampant here on KMC disuade my common sense and application of logic.Apocalypse. 👆
👆 thank god someone agrees with me on this. Problem is, this is a slugfest, and I'm not sure if the thread maker is allowing Apocalypse his powers. But yes, if he's got even half of his molecular control and amping, he can win this.
Ok, just a few scans, call them food for thought if you will.
Herc fighting his son in the future, blindfolded.
Herc, taking it to the Avengers with Caps Shield.
Herc one shotting Abomination
Herc playing with Mole Mans Monsters
And bowling one at Mole mans minions
Herc is a decent hand to hand fighter and as this is meant to be the Herc from myth, has all the Hercules of myths feats, you want me to pull out the scans of him stalemating Thor in strength and fighting him to stand still.
Or the one where Thor Admits that hand to hand Hercules is slightly better than him?
Please by all means state your case for Apoc but don't tell me that Hercules isn't much Stronger then Ben Grimm or Colosuss or that he isn't a decent hand to hand fighter.
Cause you are very, very mistaken.
Originally posted by illadelph12
My money would be on Apoc. He could always take on the consistency of rubber or tempur and absorb all of Hercules blows like it was nothing, grant himself Sebastian Shaw esque abilities, or he could, as stated beforehand, grow gigantic and flick Herc away like a booger. Regardless of the popular opinion on this board, Apocalypse is a beast, and I'm not letting the mob mentality and spite that runs rampant here on KMC disuade my common sense and application of logic.Apocalypse. 👆
Herc is stronger than Colossus and Thing. I'm not sure why that's even being questioned.
The matter at hand, though is a fight between Apoc and Herc. If Apoc is allowed to use only his physical powers (meaning no energy blasts, no teleportation, no tk or tp, no turning his arm into a rail gun) he beats Herc by negating the effects of the impacts of his punches through his density control, grows really big, and Tiger Uppercuts Hercules into orbit (a la Sagat). But that's assuming that Apoc gets to use only his physical abilities (durability, physical augmentation) and can only throw punches.
All powers at play it's not even close.
The Apoc spite needs to stop. I can't take a lot of people on here seriously due to it. It's an old gag and it's ran it's course.
Originally posted by Priest
I would like examples of at least half the abilites that u just posted as Apocs abilities. Going on speculation of what apoc might do wont earn him a win.
You want examples of Apoc growing big, changing the consistency or density of his being, or absorbing impacts to no effect, or do you want examples of him doing exactly what I said? I can do the former, not the latter. It's not baseless extrapolation, however. Apoc has many times on panel altered his composition, dimensions, and durability. It's just disregarded on this board because it takes away from the table joke.