Originally posted by Ushgarak
Don't be contemptible, Sorgo X. Serbains shot the Archduke. You said that Austria-Hungary invaded Belgium because THEY did nothing about the Archduke being shot; as you meant Serbia, and as it was Serbians who did it, you VERY VERY CLEARLY meant that Belgians shot him, and all your childish 'ftw' nonsense does not change what an almighty mess up you made there.
I actually made a major mistake, because A-H never invaded Serbia. A-H declared war on Serbia, but the Russian mobilized before they could act.
I know the Serbians shot the Archduke. Princip was Serbian. The Black Hand was Serbian. I'm trying to explain to you it was a mistake.
I meant that A-H declared war on Serbia. I made quite a mistake, although I did not intentionally do it.
No, I never made it clear that the Belgium'S shot the Archduke. Show me where I made that "VERY VERY CLEAR"
I will be waiting.
The alternative, btw, is that you meant A-H invaded Belgium because they did nothing about Serbians having shot the Archduke. Which is just as stupid a thing to say, perhaps even stupider.
No, I did not mean that. A-H never invaded Belgium. It was a mistake on my part. I did not intentionally mean to say that. I'm not stupid, I know that the A-H declared war on Serbia because they took no action against the assassination.
And no intelligent person can POSSIBLY mix up Serbia and Belgium. This is not like Serbia and Croatia you know. Belgium is a totally different country on the other side of Europe. But as it is, you did mix them up- both of the tarhget of A-H and as the killers of the Archduke, because the two are directly linked.
It was merely an accident. I sometimes mix up countries involved in the war. Don't try to judge people's intelligence. It was a mix up. Nothing more and nothing less, Ushgarak.
So again, check your facts, your history, your Geography,. Also be a man and admit when you got something totally wrong- don't try and pathetically wriggle out of it in a way so publically embarrassing. You don't 'sometimes' get them mixed at all. All that happened is that you saw me talk about Germany invading a country and assume I meant the country A-H invaded, because of your very basic level of knowledge in this area not being able to understand what I was saying. You mis-judged.
I love your little psychoanalysis. You post it like it's true or that it actually matters in this instance. I told you I sometimes get them mixed up. If you can't prove otherwise, that's the way it is. Don't tell me what I did. You don't know me.
Anyways, I'm no fool. I can man up and admit I made a mistake and got the two mixed, because I did.
What I said:
"From what I understand, the actual start of the war was when Austria-Hungary invaded Belgium because they did not take action to Franz Ferdinand's assassination in Sarajevo."
What I meant to say:
"From what I understand, the actual start of the war was when Austria-Hungary threatened Serbia because they did not take action to Franz Ferdinand's assassination in Sarajevo."
I understood what you said FULLY. I merely made a mistake of wording and got the two mixed up because you were mentioned Belgium'S.
Humans make mistakes, and I'm about to point out a few you've made when we move on.
So, let's return to the point here. Germany invaded Belgium. That was the crutch point that led to them being blamed for things,. Belgium was neutral, was no threat to Germany, never threatened Germany, and Germany had in fact signed a treaty saying they would guarantee Belgium's neutrality. Likewise, Britain and France were both pledged to defend Belgium if it was attacked. It was a totally innocent country that western Europe had pledged to defend. Germany completely ignored that because it did not suit their invasion plans. They went into it and that is the biggest factor that brought the UK into the war.
Upset by their Archdukes assassination, Austria Hungary declared war on Serbia on July 28, 1914. A day later, Russia conducted a mobilization against Austria Hungary in defence of Serbia, which then increased into a full fledged mobilization.
Germany then threatened to attack Russia on July 31, 1914, if they did not demobilize their units immediately. Germany then consulted France and asked them what they would do in a Russo-German War. France responded, and stated they would act in their own interests and mobilized their units.
On August 1, 1914, Germany declared war on Russia. Three days later, on August 3, 1914, Germany then declared war on France as well. Germany then invaded Belgium to cripple French units, violating Belgium’s official neutrality. This even then prompted Britain to declare war on Germany. That's what went down.
It's that simple. Basically, Germany was not the cause for this war. It was a chain of events from the point of the Archdukes assassination and saying that Germany caused WWI is not only a lack of knowledge REGARDING the first WW, it's ignorant.
If Germany had not done that it would have been different. But the invasion of Belgium turned the war from a fatal spat between powers into a scenario where Germany was absolutely now the bad guy.
It doesn't matter. They were blamed for CAUSING the war. They may have generated the most havoc, but they were NOT the cause. Anyone with a shred of comprehension for logic and awareness can see that Germany was clearly not the cause for this war even happening in the first place.
Study your history.
(Incidentally, in fact, Serbia agreed to nearly all of A-H's demands, but they invaded anyway)
No, no, no ... And you sit here and question my intelligence? Foolish hypocrisy, at it's finest.
A-H *NEVER* invaded Serbia. They had no time to act because the Russians had already fully mobilized. They only THREATENED TO INVADE Serbia.
Study your history.
I'm going to wait for you to man up and admit you were wrong, seeing as you love to tell people to do that. I'm expecting that you practice what you preach, yes?