Originally posted by Remulous DohmaProbably due to the fact the AC version of Sephiroth was being used. Against Seifer Sephiroth, any version of Akuma would get obliterated by a Super Nova.
Cant argue with that and besides, there was already a Gouki VS Sepiroth thread and Gouki won. M.Bison can probably beat S.Gouki.
Originally posted by XenogearsThe Super Nova is not a canon attack. Sephiroth could never really use it, it was something cool that made the fight against him harder for the player. Gouki will destroy Sephiroth, and that has already been proven, so lets not even mention M.Bison.
Probably due to the fact the AC version of Sephiroth was being used. Against Seifer Sephiroth, any version of Akuma would get obliterated by a Super Nova.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarShe was severely weakened and still had enough power to rival or beat M.Bison. Even though she doesn't really have many showings, I think there is enough evidence to put her on a DarkStalker level, IMO.
I think Ingrid had lost more than some of her powers, because she was stated to be severely weakened I believe.
Originally posted by King Nothing
She was severely weakened and still had enough power to rival or beat M.Bison. Even though she doesn't really have many showings, I think there is enough evidence to put her on a DarkStalker level, IMO.
Yeah, a low level Makai. . . She hasn't displayed anything past Anakaris level.
Nearly every game she's been in or official art, she's been seen with other Capcom characters and she's a goddess. This leads me to believe that even though she was in SF she doesn't really belong to SF. I have next to no proof of this and it may be a LOOOOOOOONG stretch but I really think she can beat Pyron, as shown in her ending in CFE.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Fighting Jam endings are retarded:-Ryu standing against a vampire Savior character Gallon
-Pyron being paired with gouki as a boss
-Gouki destroying asteroidsThat game is stupid...
-Of course Ryu could never step to J.T. but I still thought the ending was great, to see Ryu fight a character not from SF. Not to mention Udon has some excellent artist, IMO. The endings were the best part of the game, IMO.
-Pyron being paired with Akuma was kinda stupid. It'll be better as Akuma, then Pyron.
-That whole asteroid thing, I think wasn't too far of a stretch. Every one of Akuma's feats has him doing them with out being Shin. (I never said Akuma was capable, I'm just saying that if he could, I wouldn't be surprised.)
As far as Ingrid goes, I think she's that powerful because her first game has her pitted against many other Capcom characters and she is like the only one who hasn't had any other appearances before that game. Like Ruby Heart, don't you think that she's tough enough to hang with some of the powerful Marvel characters, seeing as how her first game has her pitted against them?
Originally posted by King Nothing
Of course Ryu could never step to J.T. but I still thought the ending was great, to see Ryu fight a character not from SF. Not to mention Udon has some excellent artist, IMO. The endings were the best part of the game, IMO.
Meh, not much of a Udon fan myself, never have been.
Originally posted by King Nothing
As far as Ingrid goes, I think she's that powerful because her first game has her pitted against many other Capcom characters and she is like the only one who hasn't had any other appearances before that game. Like Ruby Heart, don't you think that she's tough enough to hang with some of the powerful Marvel characters, seeing as how her first game has her pitted against them?
Comicbook characters are so over-powered at times that it's ridiculous. I understand diety's or oversears, but alot of times writers ignore what's been established just write a character in whatever way they think is cool. So, no one in Capcom is screwing with marvels strongest.
Originally posted by King Nothing
Of course not Marvels strongest, but some of the powerful characters in MVC2. Not Thanos or anything like that, but like Magneto or something?
Nope, he's to beastly.
Originally posted by King Nothing
It's the same as Ingrid, why would Capcom make a new character that can't even hand with the stronger characters?
Ingrids strength is inconclusive for now.
S.Gouki in Capcom Fighting Jam was difficult to beat as a boss. Pyron was easy to beat.
Capcom is smart about one thing !!! And that is, when you play with S.Gouki, you die very fast, reason is, if they didn't do that,S.Gouki was a godtier in that game, way to overpowerd. If you fight AGAINST S.Gouki in that game, he won't die that quick, but if we play with him, then he die fast..
normal Gouki in SF 3 Third strike, also can't take much damage, he dies also very fast.. it's the same reason why did that. Or else he is waaay to strong. As story offcourse Gouki won't die that quickly
Originally posted by leonheartmmM.Bison is eternal, Seph can't beat him in one on one. M.Bison vaped a city in 1 attack.
i can say this without a doubt.bison{or even shin akuma or ANY character in street fighter} is nothing compared to sephiroth/final fantasy characters.
so what if he gets his power from ingrid.
sephiroth was more powerful than JENOVAH, the abominable creature that fell from heaven!
Originally posted by Who else?I think Super Nova was more of an illusionary attack, but still canon.
The Super Nova is not a canon attack. Sephiroth could never really use it, it was something cool that made the fight against him harder for the player. Gouki will destroy Sephiroth, and that has already been proven, so lets not even mention M.Bison.
It's quite strange...
I still see S.Gouki winning over any form of Bison, not entirely because he's more powerful or because Bison is technically immortal with a healing factor that makes Wolverine look like a burnt corpse, but simply because Gouki posesses perhaps the single biggest plot assisted attack ever developed by Street Fighter, the Raging Demon.
With this attack, Bison loses his soul, the very thing that is immortal is sent to hell, and is trapped there... No matter how immortal you are, if your soul is separated from your body, then there's nothing to ressurect. Although, if Bison's soul ever escaped from Hell and found a new host, That would be an interesting story arch.
That said, the problem lies with Akuma scoring a hit on Bison with the SGS, and I have to wonder... Can Akuma do it to a guy who teleports as fast as he does? or moves that quickly, or flies? To me, their destructive capabilities are about equal, but as tough and strong as Gouki may be, I dunno if he can last long enough to get a hit on Bison with the SGS, especially since Bison has access to vast regenerative capabilities and unlimited energy (Stamina endurance and offensive capabilities never dwindle).
For this reason, I'd say that match is a draw. Akuma being the ONLY one who can defeat Bison permanently while he has the Drive without having to blow it up first, is perhaps the one thing that can tip the scales against Bison.
Asfor the topic at hand, I will agree with the majority and say Bison wins this until Sephiroth can find and destroy the Drive.