Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is also not true. I don't use the bible to prove my points.
As of late you don't use anything. Your replies are simply dismissive or denying (e.g. "there are no demons," "there is no Hell," "there is nothing to be saved from," "the mind is powerful," etc.)
Do any of those dismissive, denying statements ring a bell? You have made all of them without substantiating them.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
As of late you don't use anything. Your replies are simply dismissive or denying (e.g. "there are no demons," "there is no Hell," "there is nothing to be saved from," "the mind is powerful," etc.)Do any of those dismissive, denying statements ring a bell? You have made all of them without substantiating them.
Like you substantiate any of the bullshit you speak ?
yourgoingtohell.com, the National Enquirer, and other false tabloids are not proof of anything.....pathetic man , dont be a hypocrite please
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
As of late you don't use anything. Your replies are simply dismissive or denying (e.g. "there are no demons," "there is no Hell," "there is nothing to be saved from," "the mind is powerful," etc.)Do any of those dismissive, denying statements ring a bell? You have made all of them without substantiating them.
Your accusations are baseless. I provided reasoning. No one can prove a negative, therefore, reason is all that anyone can debate.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Yeah, but what if I got real philosophical on you like many atheists do and ask you to define proof or existence? What is existence? How do you know that you exist? How do you know that proof is proof?😄
When I turn on a radio I hear music, 'magically' coming out of the sky. When I toss a suitcase full of ironware through security at an airport alarms go of.
When I see my hang-overed face in the mirror or when I fart in bed I get a good hint that I exist.
My presence and actions prove my existence by influencing people and events around me, I get response from the effects of my existence, for the good or the bad but it's recordable.
Now how about god?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't need too. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Also, I cannot prove that something does not exist, because lack of evidence is not proof. Therefore, I have to really on reason.If a cup is sitting on a table; Person one, says that there is really two cups. One is visible and the other is invisible. The other person says there is only one cup on the table. Who’s position is more reasonable?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
this shud make sense of it.
Originally posted by Pandemoniac
When I turn on a radio I hear music, 'magically' coming out of the sky. When I toss a suitcase full of ironware through security at an airport alarms go of.
When I see my hang-overed face in the mirror or when I fart in bed I get a good hint that I exist.
My presence and actions prove my existence by influencing people and events around me, I get response from the effects of my existence, for the good or the bad but it's recordable.
Now how about god?
Then if those things prove your existence (following the same logic and rationale) the complicated characteristic of the universe, the galaxies, celestial objects, laws of physics, axioms of mathematics, complication of organisms (even of the tiniest cell), the human brain, the various systems in the body, the complication of gases (mixed in the right amount to support life), the coincidence that we are just the precise distance from the sun, the earth is tilted the exact degree for all seasons, the moon is just the necessary distance to create motion/waves in the ocean, the hydrologic cycle just happens to work to produce rain, the earth coincidentally makes one complete rotation every 24 hours for even heating, and all of the other wonders of this planet and universe are evidence for God's existence.
There has never been a time in the history of the universe that a crunch or a bang has produced order. A tornado, bomb, hurricane, chaos, gale (i.e. strong wind), disorder, hail, oblivion, tsunami, or explosion are all examples of things or events that are not capable of producing a beautiful, illuminated moon, romantic sunset, charming starlit night, calming, placid sea, most beautiful Gerbera Daisies, gorgeous ruby, pearl, or diamond, or fresh-smelling, newborn baby. It just is not possible for any of those examples to come about by random, chance. The earth as viewed from outer space is so radiantly beautiful and endearing. How can anyone look into the vibrant, fascinating eyes of a newborn baby and conclude that there is no God? There eyes have seen God, but they are not capable of describing what they have seen. I believe that the memory of what they have seen has been erased from their memory. I base this on the fact that all human life begins as a spirit and soul before it is sent to occupy a physical body as an embryo.
Anyway, how could someone behold the beauty of a tropical forest, or a beautiful bouquet of fragrantly-scented roses, or a snow-capped mountain, or a lush valley, or beautifully, elegant swan, or cute puppy or tabby kitten and not see the hand of God in all of this? How can anyone who has ever been in love (I mean truly in love) believe that there is no God? God created the first loving, romantic relationship between a man and a woman. Some believe that Adam was so in love with His wife Eve and so enraptured with her beauty that that is why he yielded to her request for him to disobey God and eat fruit from the tree which God forbid them to eat from. God created romantic love, God created beautiful skies, God created beautiful mountain ranges, God created the millions of stars that fill the universe, God created the hydrologic cycle, God created the process that produces beautiful snowflakes
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~atomic/snowcrystals/photos/photos.htm (actual snowflake photos)
God created sunlight (which is composed of a beautiful spectrum of colors) and the process that creates captivating sunsets, God created so many wonderful things and yet you believe there is no God.
The fool has truly said in his/her heart: there is no God.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
As of late you don't use anything. Your replies are simply dismissive or denying (e.g. "there are no demons," "there is no Hell," "there is nothing to be saved from," "the mind is powerful," etc.)Do any of those dismissive, denying statements ring a bell? You have made all of them without substantiating them.
LOL, look whose TALKIN!
Originally posted by leonheartmm
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JIA you really should read this. It will help you understand my point.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The fool has truly said in his/her heart: there is no God.
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Didn't God at first created a woman equal to Adam before he spawned Eve from Adam's rib, and Didn't this woman's choice for free will enrage god instead of gaining his respect?
This resulting in a conflict between humans right from the start and god seeing no other option besides punishment for the righteous decision from on of his closest creations instead of giving thought to her wishes?
His flaws at step 1 make it hard to believe god is responsible for the beauty that nature once was, especially after he allowed it to be diminished.
Originally posted by Pandemoniac
Didn't God at first created a woman equal to Adam before he spawned Eve from Adam's rib, and Didn't this woman's choice for free will enrage god instead of gaining his respect?
This resulting in a conflict between humans right from the start and god seeing no other option besides punishment for the righteous decision from on of his closest creations instead of giving thought to her wishes?
His flaws at step 1 make it hard to believe god is responsible for the beauty that nature once was, especially after he allowed it to be diminished.
The answer is no.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But...how would you feel Shakyamunison if I pulled one of your numbers and said this to you:😄
I understan. Then I will post it for you.
Russell's teapot, sometimes called the Celestial Teapot, was an analogy first coined by the philosopher Bertrand Russell (1872-1970), intended to refute the idea that the burden of proof lies upon the sceptic to disprove unfalsifiable claims of religions. In an article entitled "Is There a God?", commissioned (but never published) by Illustrated magazine in 1952, Russell said the following:
If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is an intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time.
The reason organized religion merits outright hostility is that, unlike belief in Russell's teapot, religion is powerful, influential, tax-exempt and systematically passed on to children too young to defend themselves. Children are not compelled to spend their formative years memorizing loony books about teapots. Government-subsidized schools don't exclude children whose parents prefer the wrong shape of teapot. Teapot-believers don't stone teapot-unbelievers, teapot-apostates, teapot-heretics and teapot-blasphemers to death. Mothers don't warn their sons off marrying teapot-shiksas whose parents believe in three teapots rather than one. People who put the milk in first don't kneecap those who put the tea in first.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Yeah, but what if I got real philosophical on you like many atheists do and ask you to define proof or existence? What is existence? How do you know that you exist? How do you know that proof is proof?😄
let's just say it's absolutely unnecessary to argue about anything if i cannot trust the existence of my own person and the functionality of my senses. And it would be absolutely pointless for you to talk about god if you don't even know about yourself.